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#2034 of 3073 GS vs LS opinions
Apr 19, 2005 (4:52 pm)
Thanks for the replies guys--It's helpful in to me--
I'm a real fan of the new GS and couldn't wait for it to come out etc---Have driven twice and still am fan. Additionally, I've never been interested in buying an LS---will likely buy a GS430--
Until the Lexus sales rep suggested I test drive one, and I did.....Wow---it's with out question a step-up from the new GS----in just about every way. The interior blows the GS away and the performance kills the GS 300 and just about rivals the GS 430----
Net Net--Given that atttractive leases can be had on 2005 LS 430, in fact less than GS 430's isn't it a no brainer? I understand the GS is a different car and sleeker etc--But the gap between the two cars seems considerable to me---I guess the stigma of the LS being for "older" people is something to consider---
#2035 of 3073 Re: GS vs LS opinions [florida1]
Apr 19, 2005 (6:43 pm)
I drove both about a month ago. The salesman was pitching the GS 430. Hard. Couldn't blame him. MSRP with a 15% spread above invoice. Turned off by the small sunroof and ridiculously small trunk. Not very roomy up front. My left leg was leaning against the door. Felt I had more room in my 325i.
The LS 430 was very roomy, had good seats with seemingly unlimited adjustment possibilities, a normal sunroof, a roomy trunk and as much power as the GS 430. Its steering was much lighter but for such a big vehicle, I thought it handled okay.
I'm sure I can get the LS for a cheaper lease than the GS.
Forget the age thing. The Lexus salesman said many of the professional football players in the area own the LS. That's good enough for me.
For me this is a no-brainer!
Apr 19, 2005 (10:15 pm)
If you can manage to find an LS430 with the "Eurosport" suspension, give one a try. I think you'll be surprised just how well this big car can handle with the right shoes.
#2037 of 3073 Re: GS vs LS opinions [hpowders]
Apr 20, 2005 (7:10 am)
Like I mentioned in a previous post the biggest competitor to the GS will come from Lexus. The upcoming GS 460 will compete against the LS 460 - same engine, faily close handling but the LS is much more comfortable and practical - I would choose the LS in a heartbeat. The upcoming GS 350 will compete against the ES 350 - same engine, fairly close handling and styling but the ES will be more practical and affordable - need to actually drive the new ES before making any bold statements though.
The GS just isn't sporty enough (or BMW like) to distinguish itself from the other Lexus products. This has plague the GS since it's inception - unfortunately Lexus stll hasn't addressed this issue. They were stupid to bring over the 300 engine (instead of the 350) and I think many of the advanced features found only in the GS 430 should have been in the 300 as well.
Comparing current prices between the GS and LS is suspect. Wait until the normal discounts apply to the GS and then run the numbers. The GS will depreciate significantly for those who insist on buying it now at MSRP (or close to it). Just wait and see what happens to it's value when the new LS, ES and GS 350/460 arrive.
#2038 of 3073 GS300 vs LS430 Leases
Apr 20, 2005 (8:35 am)
Any recent lease experiences for the GS300 or LS430? Looking for car sell price, residual, money factor for a 36 or 48 month lease and 15,000 miles.
#2039 of 3073 Re: GS vs LS opinions [drtravel]
Apr 20, 2005 (8:50 am)
I think you're making a far too sweeping statement about the GS not being sporty enough. There are a lot of drivers who needn't BMW amounts of road feel and precision but still appreciate crisp responses. And to this end, the GS provides in much better fashion than the LS, and especially the ES. The ES is a very non-sporting car and to presume that the next ES will handle similarly to this new GS is a *WILD* leap of faith, given the responses of the current generation ES that I drove last year.
I feel that if the new GS was as soft as you claim, how would Car and Driver be able to remark "Despite the supple ride, there is discipline in the chassis. An adaptive damping system and keen steering help the Lexus hurry through the canyons at speeds most people would not attempt"? To me, that indicates that the dynamic capability is there, it just doesnt speak as loudly as it would in a 5-series, for example. And for what its worth, I dont feel that any ES would appear in the same breath as the phrase "hurry through the canyons".
Finally, you are incredibly dramatic with respect to depreciation and value.
Q: What happened to the ES300 depreciation when it became the ES330 in 2004? What happened to the GS300 when the ES became the ES330 in 2004?
A: Nothing, from what I've observed. Why would it be any different this time around?
#2040 of 3073 Re: GS vs LS opinions [alpha01]
Apr 20, 2005 (9:15 am)
Considering that the GS 300 engine's is underpowered in relationship to it's competitors, I believe the 350 engine upgrade will be much more important as compared to the relatively minor ES 300 to 330 move - especially for a car advertised as a performance sedan. Lexus might even add some performance features that are currently only available on the 430.
Car and Driver's article is about the 430. This car is much more sporty in relationship to the 300. Didn't Lexus say about 90% of their sales will be 300s?
Hmm....if you buy a GS now at say $50K and I wait for a few months and buy it at $47K....in three years I believe both cars will be worth about the same, other things being equal. As Lexus introduces new models I believe the buzz about the GS diminishes as does it's actual selling price.
#2042 of 3073 Re: GS vs LS opinions [alpha01]
Apr 20, 2005 (1:35 pm)
I think that the y2007 ES will be more competitive with the GS than you think. My guess is that the new ES will have the same engine as the y2005 Avalon. If that is the case, then the ES will have much better handling, power, etc. than the current model. In addition, if the options they offer in the new ES are similar to the Avalon then the the ES will be equipped similarly to the GS as well. AND finally...the ES will me much less expensive. In addition, I believe the IS will give GS some competition as well.....
#2043 of 3073 Re: GS vs LS opinions [kmg68]
Apr 20, 2005 (3:06 pm)
I believe the plan is to have the ES, IS and GS share the same 350 engine (guessing about 280 hp) although there might be tuning differences between them for a few extra horspower here and there. Lexus will definitely need to upgrade the performance components of the ES to keep up with the engine. Not sure if all the Avalon goodies will be on the ES - it will still be based on the Camry although this is the last generation to be based on the Camry.
The new ES is scheduled to arrive next March - I still think it will be very competitive with the GS 300 which just isn't a great handling car yet. Drive both the GS 430 and 300 back to back and you will see that the 430 is much closer to the Lexus targeted BMW.
IMHO Lexus made two big blunders by not bringing the 350 engine now (even Motor Trend in their GS 300 test this month said the engine struggled) and by not including the extra performance goodies found on the 430. In magazine testing the 430 will fare much better against the competiton than the 300 would.