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You are in the Lexus GS
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Lexus GS 300, Lexus GS 430, Sedan
Apr 19, 2004 (6:09 pm)
A comment to your statement:
"Let's not forget the 2006 GS430. Supposedly the same 300bhp and 320lb-ft, when the 545i has 325bhp and the upcoming larger E-class V8 will have over 300bhp and 300lb-ft?"
I don't know enough about the plans Lexus has for the new GS 300 but for the upscale GS (above 430), they will offer a hybrid version adding on to the GS model line of 300 and 430. This is said as Lexus is on its way to include a hybrid version of every model before 2008. It is just Lexus's way of attacking the MB AMG and BMW M-performance series markets. So, no matter what the competition is in the smaller engine category, it is most likely that Lexus already has plans for facing the high-performance sport sedan segment.
#173 of 3073 maxhonda99
Apr 19, 2004 (8:20 pm)
"So, I am guessing there will be a C300 and a C350?"
Sooner or later yes, but I don't think the current C-Class will see these models. Most likely those models will come along with the 2007-08 redesign.
I think the new GS300's V6 might be a Honda-like engine, meaning revs and peaky power band that Toyota's typical V6s. I don't know. Like Lexusguy said Toyota usually isn't about hp and boasting about engine displacement, but it does seem just a tad bit odd compared to the competition, but lets see how this motor puts out those 245 horses. This type of engine would really make sense if they were going to offer a manual trans, but....
Apr 19, 2004 (8:58 pm)
I dont think that Toyota will continue to use this 3.0L and the current 4.3L for a long period of time. Like Mercedes and BMW, Lexus is in a transitional period when it comes to their engines. Their current engines were designed to go against what the Germans had a few years ago, mainly, BMW's 4.0L 282hp V8, and Mercedes 4.3L 275hp V8, with the 3.0L positioned against BMW's 2.8L six and the M-B 320, which they compare to favorably. Lexus obviously isnt going to stand idly by and let the Germans pass them by 30 and 40hp, especially since the JDM horsepower cap has FINALLY been repealed. My best guess is that this new 3.0L and the corporate 4.3 will get HSD to bring them up to the power specs of the competition. Even if they transplant the 400h's drive directly into the GS300 without any kind of enhancement, that takes the car from 242hp which is adequate, to 282hp which is top of the class, only behind the RL. Perhaps a GS350h and a GS500h?
Apr 20, 2004 (12:43 am)
We'll see because I thought this 3.0L V6 was brand new, but still 245hp isn't too shabby in this class. The RL is the overachiever, not the norm. The new standard will be around 250hp in this class...for now.
The hybrid models I'm sure will have a hp and MPG advantage. Seemingly the best of both worlds.
Apr 20, 2004 (6:21 am)
Well said, and thank you for steering the discussion back on track from some WILD speculative guessing.
Apr 20, 2004 (6:39 am)
Well, since you the rest of us can't speculate, what's the point of saying anything about the 2006 GS? Basically everything said about it is SPECULATIVE.
#178 of 3073 not really
Apr 20, 2004 (7:18 am)
I didnt say we cant speculate. But there seems to be a lot of partially unfounded assumptions being made.
"What's the point of saying anything about the 2006 GS? Basically everything said about it is SPECULATIVE."
Um, what? Lexus has SHOWN us a car, detailed some of the tech features, and told us the engines that will be debuted with the vehicle. YOU have chosen not to believe them, fine. That doesnt mean the rest of us dont believe Lexus. Now, what may happen subsequently... sure, thats anyones guess, but to me.... it seems pretty darn concrete what engines, features, and car we will be getting on March 1 of 2005.
Apr 20, 2004 (10:35 am)
There was a short article on the new IS in Automotive News. In the article Denny Clements (Lexus GM) said that most likely the next IS will not offer a V8 engine (even though the LF-C has one). More likely, he said, is a choice of small- and large-displacement six-cylinder engines much like BMW does with the 3 series.
This may help shed some light on engine choices in other Lexus models such as the new GS.
As for the IS, Clements said the interior and engineering are firm, while the final exterior design is still being fine-tuned. Clements said the design can be polarizing because the rest of the lineup can be universal. The production version will arrive in late 2005 and will be launched globally in Japan, Europe and the U.S.
#180 of 3073 I think Jrock and Merc are on the right track!
Apr 21, 2004 (7:50 am)
One point I want to make first.
The Acura RL is rumored to sell for between $45k and 50k, so it isn't necessarily a GS300 competitor, since it has a larger engine and will be probably $5k more expensive, with AWD and all.
The mid-luxury class is pretty murky in the form of who competes with who. Maybe a $40+k class and $50+k class are necessary.
The M45 is V8 only. The GS 300/430 and STS V6/V8 both base in the 40s. The RL will be there. The 525/530. The Audi A6 (V6). The S-Type V6. The E320/Diesel/350.
So if you base a class on price, the STS 320HP V8 and the RL 300Hp V6 AWD are the new class leaders!
That said, I think all we are REALLY getting from Lexus is this. The GS line will START with a 245HP 3.0 Six.
I haven't heard them confirm anything else, and that includes the V8, which at this point is unchanged.
I'll eat my hat if the bring the same V8 to production a year from now! And I'd bet a new engine BETWEEN the 245HP and the V8 will be introduced, probably in the fall of '05. THEN a Hybrid variant of the V8. This would coincide with the next LS redesign, due around Winter/Early Spring of '05-'06.
Also the IS is supposed to land with small and large V6 engines! So don't you think the GS might get the large engine? I wouldn't consider the 3L large. If anything, the 245HP engine will be the base engine for the IS! It's still under the G35's and TL's ratings, but MUCH faster than BMW's 2.5!
My thought is Lexus is putting the final touches on a great 3.5, with around 270-280HP, that will see IS and GS duty, and at some point will get Hybrid power to boot. And the V8 will go up AT LEAST 30HP to allow this engine into a 100HP void in the lineup.
If Toyota builds a Supra (someday), this engine would be purrfect for that application too.
Apr 21, 2004 (10:15 am)
The new Infiniti M will be offered in both V6 and V8 iterations. Preliminary Pricing numbers and a fun Configurator are both available on www.infiniti.com.