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Lexus GS 300, Lexus GS 430, Sedan
Feb 25, 2005 (12:44 pm)
Why let the GS go ICE cold, with no upgrades between now and winter 2007?
I woant the GS to still have something going for it when the LS hits, so the GS isn't totally forgotten.
It would be best if Lexus would bring one new engine 2 months before the LS lands, so the GS can enjoy a strong close to '06, and have sustained momentum into another engine release in early '07, and get additional quality traffic, as the LS' market dominance continues to grow.
I don't think the car (GS) is competitive enough to go through Winter '07 without a new engine (3.0 notwithstanding).
I'd try to have the 3.5 ready just as the LS arrives.
The Hybrid would take away too much from the LS launch.
The 4.6 GS would do the same.
The 3.5 will be ready within a year. I'm hearing it's not just a straight swap out of Avalon, but more powerful. And the 3.0 may saty in the lineup.
Given the price of the GS430, the LS doesn't look like it'll go much past $60k base price. I thought they may go right to $65k, but $15k is too big a gap to leave.
One other thought is this structure:
GS300: 245HP - low $40's
GS350: 300HP - under $50k (Acura RL with more torque)
GS460: 350-360HP - $55-57k
2007 LS: 350HP - 20/28MPG - $65-85k
#1493 of 3073 Re: GS300AWD [creditman]
Feb 25, 2005 (3:06 pm)
I will be looking at the M35 this weekend. The cowl height is quite high on the GS300. Not having seen an M35 in person, I was wondering if the dash is less obtrusive?
Feb 25, 2005 (4:13 pm)
The 3.5 engine would have the horsepower at around 270-280hp (depending environmental regulation for each country) with torque power that is very close to the Fuga 350 (Nissan) sedan since l don’t have the brochure with me. I also called the engineers at the Higashi-Fuji Technical Center last night and he told me the new engine design was suffering lower than expected “performance” and hesitation problems that is very similar to the Windom sedan selling in the America market when they installed environmental-related components to comply America environmental regulations (but such problem have not exhibit by the ones that’s selling for the Japanese market). Therefore they decide to postpone the launch date for the GS 350 sedan in America until the issue has fully resolved which they hopefully can be done by the time the LS sedan arrives in America. So what is likely to happen is both GS 350 and 430 would launch on schedule for the Japanese market, but the America market would have to live with the new 3.0 liter engine for a while until Toyota come up with the solution for the 3.5 liter engine.
I am just wondering what are the types of hesitation/performance problems suffered by the Windom sedan currently selling in America since none of the Windom sedan in Japan I know of has suffer any sort of hesitation or performance problems? But I know there are researchers in Japan working on the engine/transmission problem for the Windom sedan selling in America market (is this the nature of the problem?). Any information available would be greatly appreciated.
Feb 25, 2005 (4:31 pm)
Well, that makes the most sense, since Japan gets the GS350 from the get-go.
Feb 25, 2005 (6:17 pm)
Did you mean our Toyota Avalon? That is the only Toyota vehicle currently available here that has the new 3.5L
Feb 25, 2005 (6:58 pm)
Toyota Avalon??? Humm..I never heard of this sedan in Japan before, but since you are talking about this car would also have the 3.5 liter engine like the GS-sedan does, then the problem becomes much more complicated. My best guess would be although the engine's basic platform between the two sedan would be very similar, but I think GS engine would be tuned for high sportniess, which make some of the parts used to produce the engine are differ than the Avalon sedan which I believe it’s built for comfort (am I correct??). Also the transmission used by the GS-sedan would be the ones coming from the Crown Athlete sedan (6-speed), which is tuned for sportiness. On the other hand, I believe from what I read from edmunds.com the Avalon sedan are using the 5-transmission that is similar from the Camry sedan, which is less expensive to produce it. Such difference between the engine components and transmission can explain as to why the Avalon sedan would be on sale on schedule and the GS350 sedan is not
Hope this would help
#1498 of 3073 Re: lex4life [k_mitsui]
Feb 25, 2005 (8:45 pm)
I drove a GS 300 last night. For all of the complaining about its lack of a larger engine [Confession: Some of that was from me...] it did very well. It definitely handles better than the old GS 300. There is almost total road isolation, so if that is what you like, go for it.
#1499 of 3073 Picked up my GS 430 tonight
Feb 25, 2005 (10:37 pm)
Very nice. Power is excellent. Handling and braking are great. Takes a little while to set the car up, and I will have to get a bluetooth phone now.
It did not come quite as loaded as I had hoped. No PCS or adaptive cruise control.
Price was $58,334 MSRP. No discount, no markup.
Feb 26, 2005 (6:58 am)
Did you drive the AWD or RWD? Did you notice any pronounced tire thump over bumps?
Feb 26, 2005 (7:00 am)
I am very surprised the new GS in America have no adaptive cruise and PCS Japan because these things are standard features if I pruchase the B package, which would cost me around 6.2 million yen (around 62000 US dollars). The package also include the lane departure warning system too! and they are selling the GS for $58 334; it's way too expensive. I think there's has some serious problems in Toyota America because why they don't sell the similar types of packages we have in Japan??? May-be they would come in later model years, but why not now???