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Lexus GS 300, Lexus GS 430, Sedan
#1458 of 3073 Re: 0-60 in 6.8 seconds? [bartalk3]
Feb 21, 2005 (4:59 pm)
2004 GS 300 weighed 3,649 lbs had 220 hp 5,800 and 220 lb-ft 3,800
2006 GS 300 weighs 3,536 lbs has 245 hp 6,200 and 230 lb-ft 3,600
The 2006 GS 300 hp/lb ratio increased by 15% and the tor/lb ratio increased by 7% - is this enough for Lexus to claim that the 0-60 time dropped from 7.8 seconds to 6.8 seconds?
The 2006 M35 hp/lb ratio is 5.5% better than the GS and the tor/lb ratio is 8% better. The M35 does 0-60 in 6.3 seconds.
#1459 of 3073 You're forgetting gear ratios
Feb 21, 2005 (5:10 pm)
And torque curves.
And in some cases, # of tranny speeds.
Even the tires can enhance acceleration times!
Good to know the Lexus lost weight.
#1460 of 3073 GS 300 acceleration
Feb 21, 2005 (6:49 pm)
Lexus is probably puffing up the acceleration figures for the new GS300 because they did so for the previous GS.
For example, for '04 GS300, Lexus claimed 1/4 mile in 15.8, but the best Car & Driver could do was 16.1, and Consumer Reports, when they originally tested the car, got only 16.8
Same for 0-60, Lexus claiming 7.8, but C&D recorded 8.0 even and CR only 8.8.
So Lexus' claim for the new GS are undoubtedly optimistic. That was my seat-of-the-pants impression when I drove it.
By the way, the final gear ratio in the new GS is virtually the same as previously.
#1461 of 3073 Interesting Comments...
Feb 21, 2005 (6:49 pm)
Seems like folks are trying hard to find reasons not to like the new GS. Well that's ok. And if Infiniti (M45/35) is now your choice du jour, that's ok too. When I pick up my 430 next week, it will be good to experience a little "exclusiveness" for awhile. Now if only the new GS could get a few bad reviews from the car mags....
#1462 of 3073 Re: Interesting Comments... [adb3]
Feb 21, 2005 (7:24 pm)
I'm not so sure that most people here are "trying hard to find reasons not to like the new GS", but rather posting their comments now that they have finally had a chance to see/drive the car. I very much like the new GS; however, like all of its competitors (RL, M, A6, E350, STS, etc) have found some things about it that I didn't know about until now. In my opinion, all of these are very nice cars, but all have some "flaws" depending upon your individual taste and desires. Some people will see one of these and love it more than the others immediately, with the flaws seen by others being inconsequential to them. I think that after all of these cars are out and can easily be driven and compared by those looking to buy, maybe one or more will emerge as "better" - but I doubt it. They are all very good, the "best" most likely being in the eye of the beholder. Enjoy your 430 - you got a great car.
#1463 of 3073 Re: Interesting Comments... [pearl]
Feb 21, 2005 (8:04 pm)
Good points...certainly not attempting to devalue others opinions...even though I do believe there's a little nit-picking going on, particularly concerning HP. But alas, everyone has their boat floated a little differently...and are free to express their likes or dislikes. For me, Lexus has hit the right marks with sportier but elegant styling, a jewel-like and ergonomically sound interior presentation, and crisper and more sure-footed handling. But most importantly it's a Lexus because I want a car I can drive, not admire from afar in my dealer's garage while the mechanics are trying to resolve maintenance issues.
Feb 21, 2005 (8:12 pm)
Congratulations on the 430. Most of the nit-picking here is for the 300, mainly people tearing their hair because Lexus chose such an anemic engine in place of a bigger one they could have used. Can you describe the car you bought--the equipment, color, etc. I assume you've driven the car. Are the big tires noisy at all?
#1465 of 3073 Re: adb3 [bartalk3]
Feb 21, 2005 (8:26 pm)
Understand...not sure the mainstream driver/buyer cares that much about HP...time/sales will tell. Dealer didn't have the 430 to drive, so only been in the 300. I pre-ordered back in Dec because I was convinced without even seeing it in person that the car would be strong because Toyota has a lot at stake (did the same 2 yrs ago with my 330--home run!). My 430 is black with the cream colored (they use another name) interior. It's coming with everything--and I mean everything. BTW, in my area I believe that's the only way they are shipping the initial offerings.
Feb 22, 2005 (4:47 am)
Please post all of your impressions when you actually get behind the wheel of your new 430. I'm very curious as to how this VDIM system operates, and Edmunds wasnt much help in that department.
#1467 of 3073 Re: Please make it prettier 
Feb 22, 2005 (8:50 am)
I couldn't agree more!
Lexus design has undoubtedly come on by leaps and bounds, but I'm not sure that it's there yet.
The best example I can give is last year's Guigaro design at Geneva, the Alessandro Volta - a concept to die for! But will they make it? You can bet your ass they wont!