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looking at a 2005 vibe. sticker price is $21,905.00 http://www.pontiac.com/ws/nvlWindowSticker.pg?makeId=002&year=2005&modelId=85&postalCode=3- 0269&pvc=240&mmc=2SL26&VIN=5Y2SL638X5Z479227&GMS=junebug&isGMFF=true&isbp=true&originating- Brand=DIVISIONAL They told me about the employee pricing (alas, forgot the amount).. when I pressed them with offers from other dealers, they offered $1000 rebate and $1000 because I own a chevy. now I went, shopped around... did my research. info on it from the sites... Kelly blue book site: New Car Blue Book Value $19718 , Invoice $20327 , MSRP $20905 (that is with only one $1000 rebate plugged in, other wasnt offered.. and the emplyee pricing selection seemd to make no adjustment.. from Edmunds site: TMV $19,134 Invoice $20,106, MSRP $21,655 (that is without any rebates applied on the edmiunds site. QUESTION - do i take the TMV and then figure in the empoloyee pricing rebate and other rebates?? Okay... so on the pontiac site I clicked the link for employee pricing and got $18,779.05 ....I figured I now take my $2000 from the 2 rebates off, getting 16,779. I called them and my offer to them was 16,500 walking out the door, (they take a little more off and cover any taxes/fees) QUESTION - is that a good offer, did I lowballl to much? I would then apply my GM card points of $2156, trade in my car with a shot transmission ($500?) and put $800 down. Okay so they call me back and say they are about 3 thousand away from my price. this raises a few questions I wanted to ask you guys. 1st - they said their employee pricing ended up with a price a thousand higher than the employee discount the pontiac site gave me. they said that was because the website was already taking into account the additional 1000 rebate. Thats a red flag to me that there are 2 different emplyee pricing calculations.QUESTION - is what they are saying true? Second, thye said that taxes would be calculated before the rebates are applied. Question - is this true? is it was for them to pocket more coin.. or just the laws of the land? end result - they said walking out the door, before figurin in my trade and GM card, would be 19,000+.... is that a good deal? its close to what the edmunds/KBB sites suggested, but I dont know if their prices are before or after applicable rebates.. thanks for the read and the replies guys... trying to be smart on this purchase, and have to stay within a certain budget to make it work. - Christopher
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The employee pricing includes the $1000.00 rebate...not the conquest incentive (as you have to show owners title to a NON GM vehicle to get that incentive.If you get that incentive, then you are at the rock bottom price of $17,779.05. They are NOT going to cover the tax,tags and doc fee!!!! Yes, most all States require the tax to be taken BEFORE the REBATES or INCENTIVES. If your State charges 6%...then you would pay tax on the $19,779.05 (that's the actual selling price before the rebates and incentive) and that would come to approx. another $$1,186.00 plus whatever the tag and title fee is. Your "out the door price" would be approx. $18,965 PLUS the tag and title fee. So that is very near the $19,000.00 they quoted you. You offered them $16,500.."OUT THE DOOR" There is NO WAY they will sell you that VIBE for that price unless the dealer intends to go out of business!!!! Now the one thing you didn't tell us is how many GM points you have, because you can subtract that from the total I gave you...but I would have to have the number of points (or dollars) you have coming?????????> and secondly....you didn't tell us how much thay are giving you for your Trade-in???That gets subtracted from the $19,779.05 aand then the tax is computed....so I can't give you the actual info you want...but from what I have told you, then perhaps you can do the math. Sounds to me as though...from the $19,000 dollar price that they gave you is fair as long as you can still subtract the trade-in and GM card points from that figure of approx. $19,000.00. I am very surprised they are offering you the $1000.00 Conquest incentive....as that is actually to be given for NON GM vehicles and you stated that you are trading in a Chevrolet???? Hope this helps. Let's face it, the Employee Discount price, less another $2000.00 from that is a very good, fair price. By the way, I am not a dealer or salesman...jus an old retired copper. Where the dealer ususually tries to "GET YA" is to low ball the trade-in.
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Replying to: nortsr1 (Aug 28, 2005 11:47 am) I didnt mean to lowball them, I have just read on these forums of some people who get a car listed at 21000+ for 16000+ I was a little confused as I thought the cost would be invoice plus 3% for a good deal, but the employee pricing on some cars went below invoice. at any rate, thanks for the great informative reply. to answer the questions (and request a recalculation) I have 2156 GM Dollars. the car I am going to trade in, I am not sure of the value for trade... it is a 2 door 1995 cavalier, it has a slight dent in the front (covered with the bra) some coffee stains on the interior, and a transmission that is shot (which is why I am car shopping)... I can still drive it.. but just barely. I also own a jeep wrangler.. perhaps that is the vehicle they are going to use for the conquest option. |
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As long as you can show ownership to a non-GM vehicle (in this case, yes, the Jeep), you will be eligible for the $1000.00 Conquest incentive. Take the $2,156.00 off of the approx. $19,000 quoted out the door price and also subtract ant trade-in monies that they allow you and you will get roughly the price. The taxes will be slightly less, because the trade-in is subtracted from the #18,779.05 and then the tax is computed. For example: if they allow you $500.00 trade for your Cavalier)(  and that is a guess on my part) ....you would roughly end up "out the door" for about $16.344.00 . Also, remember, with some GMCards, you are only eligible for a $1000.00 credit. You can call the number on the back of your GM Card to find out what amount you are eligible...... Hope this helps...and please post back after you make the deal and give us a complete rundown of the final figures...selling price , rebates, trade-in amount, taxes, atgs,title fees, etc. Good luck and hope you get many safe miles with your forthcoming Vibe!!!!!! If you email me (my email is listed) I can hook you up with a very good, very active Pontiac Vibe discussion website. |
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I had to go to Idaho (from Portland, OR) to get the package and color I wanted: 2005 Vibe, Base FWD, Moonstone, Automatic, Power Package, Moon & Tunes. List MSRP 20230, GM employee price: 16338 (with $1000 customer cash & $1000 conquest bonus). Price paid: $16119. (Dealer is "no haggle," but this price is $219 lower than GM employee price for total of $16119). (plus $149 doc fee plus title). They are also reimbursing me for my flight from Portland to Boise. Edmunds Rules of the Road says we can name the dealer, and I can recommend this one: Edmark in Nampa, ID. Finally, here's a quote from an article on a different automotive site about the pricing structure of the GM Employee discount: "Under the program, GM pays dealers 5 percent of a vehicle's sticker price. That includes GM's traditional 3 percent holdback. By contrast, dealers previously were allowed a discount of 8 to 11 percent of a vehicle's sticker, including the holdback allowance. Then they negotiated with the customer to hold onto as much of that spread as possible." So it appears that with a $20000 Vibe, a dealer makes about $1000 (5%) charging the GM employee price (but they apparently have to wait a few months to get the "holdback" portion of that $1000). |
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Congrats on the Vibe. You made out very well. As far as the dealer holdback portion of your statement: I believe the longer a new vehicle is on the dealers lot, the dealer has to pay interest every month or whenever to the insttitution that has his vehicles financed and that eats up a lot of that holdback. The longer a vehicle "sits" on his or her lot, the less of the holdback thay recieve. I might be wrong on that...but...I "think" that is correct! Anyway, thanks for informing us of your great deal and please continue to post in the "Pontiac Vibe" discussion and let us know how everything is working out., |
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Okay, here was how my deal worked out: 2005 AWD Moonstone w/mono package, Moon & Tunes, Power Group & Aluminum Wheels. MSRP w/Options & Delivery = $23,470.00 GM Employee Discount (which includes $1,000 customer cash) = $20,258.08 Minus Conquest Bonus = $1,000.00 Total w/incentives = $19,258.00 I was able to get an additional $500.00 on my trade too just by vising three different Pontiac dealers over the weekend, getting appraisals from all three, and then working each one until someone relented. Luckily, all three had the same Vibe w/options that I wanted...and thus, it wasn't too difficult to find someone to give me a little extra for a trade-in. Out the door price (not including tax/licensing) = $18,758.00 Considering how quickly I was able to get this done (not including time spent on online research), I'm pretty happy with the whole experience. |
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| I got my 2005 base vibe a month and half ago. With auto, moon & tone, power package, 16-in aluminum wheels and monotone package. The MSRP is around $20996, after the GM employee price and rebates. The final price is $16996 + $16 title fee + (2.5% tax in Albertville of Alabama) + $0 processing fee. The out of door price is around $17453. Only two weeks later, add a cargo net package for $50 and the higher center console armrest from Toyota on line parts for $75. The car is running great, the only regret is to have moon roof option. | |
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console armrest.....Will you please post the website that you ordered the center armrest from!!!! Either that or Email it to me...My email address is listed...just click onto my nortsr1...Thankyou. I can also reccomend a good Vibe discussion group if you email me.
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