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Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Sedan, Wagon
#490 of 1173 Re: Safety news [microrepair]
Apr 07, 2005 (6:43 pm)
"I guess most of the 'noters' here must spend all their time on Edmunds and didn't notice the Insurance Institute report last week that rated the E-class as the safest sedan in the US interms of accident fatalities. I can't believe that hasn't been mentioned here yet.."
Changing the subject does not mitigate the myriad horror stories unfolding on this message board. Real folks -- owners -- are sharing their personal experiences about the reliability or lack thereof of Mercedes products. No one here doubts that the car is safe in a crash. What is questionable is whether one should buy the car to begin with; I am in that camp. Should I buy a great looking, great handling car that may end up spending more time in the dealer's garage than in mine? I don't want to have to pay for the car twice; once to buy it and once to rebuild it.
The number of electrically related problems discussed in this forum -- one page alone-- is staggering. In contrast, the 2 Lexus RX cars my folks own (1999 and 2003) have never had a single problem. Not even one. Not a glitch or a hiccup. Oil changes only. There's no "settling in" period. It's perfect from day one and stays that way with routine maintenance.
My Acura Legend has never failed to start. Not ever. And it's over ten years old.
Let's compare apples to apples and leave crash test ratings to another topic thread.
#491 of 1173 Re: Safety news/ Headgasket [microrepair]
Apr 07, 2005 (6:57 pm)
"The only failure on either car so far was that my 96 needed a head gasket and a water pump at 120K miles. Expensive, yes, but not too bad for the mileage considering the quality of the driving experience."
My Dad's 94 E-Class needed a valve job at 30,000 miles. How do we explain that in a meticulously maintained car?
My 1991 Acura Legend LS has 132,000 miles on it, and it's never needed a head gasket and still doesn't burn a drop of oil. Over 250,000 + miles are common on Acura and Lexus engines. That's a quarter of a million miles without any service to the engine other than oil, spark plugs at 60K, and the scheduled timing belt change at 90,000 miles. A blown head gasket at 120,000 miles doesn't seem so great to me.
A nice driving experience, sure that's great. But that assumes that the car is on the road, and not parked in the shop with the hood up or the dashboard torn apart.
#492 of 1173 re:bahus /innovation vs. execution [garyh1]
Apr 07, 2005 (7:01 pm)
"The fact is that innovation is great; but innovation without excellent execution does not make for a very satisfactory ownership experience -- especially when you pay a premium price for it!"
" MB needs to be able to execute as well as it innovates .. "
Excellent points! Well said!
#493 of 1173 Re: reliability etc./ Boring can mean different things [gato]
Apr 07, 2005 (7:12 pm)
"Lexus may be somewhat more reliable but it is probably the most boring car on the planet to look at and drive."
I beg to differ. The Lexus is not just somewhat more reliable, it just plain is reliable. One of the most reliable cars on the plant. Period. Perhaps you haven't read Consumer Reports Annual Car Report this month. Lexus is at or very near the top in reliability (depending on model) and MB is near the bottom, especially the E and S class; nothwithstanding their superlative styling and handling.
Boring is sitting in the customer lounge while you wait to get your car fixed for the umpteenth time. Boring is sitting in the customer shuttle to and from your office while the car is in the shop for recall repairs.
As for looks, I think the new 2006 GS 430 looks pretty good and drives pretty darn well too.
Would I like to have a new E 350? Yes indeed. But after all I am reading here, and in other consumer sources, it seems a dicey proposition.
Does anyone have any positives to report on expected reliabilty for the 2006 E class models?
#494 of 1173 Re: Steering and Wiper problems with 2000 E320 [raj2000]
Apr 08, 2005 (7:14 pm)
Have them check the rubber boot at the bottom of the steering shaft where it exits the firewall. When the rubber gets dry it can cause a slight moaning noise.
#495 of 1173 Re: reliability etc./ Boring can mean different things [legendman]
Apr 09, 2005 (9:18 am)
As I mentioned, I have already had two MB E class wagons, one was a 2000 E320 4Matic wagon and the other a 2005 E500 4Matic wagon. Both have been great cars to drive and own. No problems except a few nav issues with the 2000 model during the first few months of ownership. Problems in these forums and surveys are overrated. People who are happy with their purchase rarely bother to write and surveys are usually lagging actual improvements and do not make any attempt to rank the severity of the problems (for example, my 2000 had three separate stereo/nav problems -- do those matter as much as an engine or brake problem?).
So if you want an E350, get that one instead of settling for a more reliable but boring choice.
#496 of 1173 Re: reliability etc./ Boring can mean different things [legendman]
Apr 09, 2005 (11:38 am)
Mercedes-benz cars were never meant to appeal to the masses, as toyotas are. People's purchasing choices aren't always based on caution and sensibility, anyway. Take San Francisco, for example. Second only to NYC for cost of living, (very expensive) great climate, great architecture, great VIBE. Yet if you ask the right siezmologist, they will warn you that the whole city is going to fall into the ocean some day, MAYBE. It doesn't stop people from moving there in droves...
#497 of 1173 Re: reliability etc./ Boring can mean different things [legendman]
Apr 09, 2005 (2:08 pm)
In the recent past, I have owned/driven Lexus', BMW's, and now my first Mercedes-Benz, a 2006 E350. Was and am I concerned about the quality issue, absolutely. So far with about 500 miles on it, I am quite pleased with my decision. Yes, the recall on the brakes probably affects my car, though I have yet to receive a letter on this. But, truth be told, only time will tell if the car will be reliable.
Currently I am leasing cars, so at least there is an out in a few years, if things are not to my liking. Also, I am pretty insistent on getting proper resolutions (and know a few folks in the industry) if things are not going well, and am usually pretty successful in that regards. Notwithstanding that the frustration and persistence always has a value/price.
There are so many good cars on the market, but personal choice is just that, personal. I looked at the new GS and was pleased from the standpoint of true Lexus quality (not necessarily knowing if this car will have quality problems, which is rare for Leuxs), but for me the car missed some beats. Again, personal preferences.
I like some of the features and benefits of the new E350, such as not having to agree to the Nav warning, or venting in the sunroof interior shade to allow ventilation with it closed when you don't want the sun beating down on you, or the fold-down rear seat headrests that allow for better rear views. The engine also has nice pickup while not being a V8 and thus uses less gas. And, I like the fact that I will be able to integrate my iPod into the sound system someday soon. Bottom line is I have found myself prefering german engineering in cars and am willing to support the innovations to a point. So far I have not reached the point of returning to either Japanese or American cars.
#498 of 1173 Re: reliability etc./ Boring can mean different things [legendman]
Apr 10, 2005 (12:18 am)
We are trying to solve our problems for the E500; Lexus vehicles can be reliable but let's get on with the point. Remember that your dealership plays a profound role in your car's mechanical reliability.
How much do iPod integration kits cost? And does anyone know about the Tire Pressure Monitoring System's availability after Mercedes builds the car?
#499 of 1173 Re: reliability etc./ Boring can mean different things [mbbmw2002]
Apr 11, 2005 (5:03 am)
"Remember that your dealership plays a profound role in your car's mechanical reliability. "
This is a very very true statement.