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#193 of 1173 The ultimate Benz gizmo
Jun 10, 2003 (1:30 pm)
I agree that the new ones suffer from too much technology. I recently bought a 1995 wagon, and it's just on the edge of being too complex. Many, many years ago, I had a 1968 230. I miss that car.
The ultimate gizmo that MB should make is a automatic-retracting hood ornament so that the hooligans can't steal it. Or with all those electronic whizbang doo-dads sitting idle whent the car is off, run a couple dozen volts through the star, so they'll think really hard about swiping more than one.
Jun 10, 2003 (10:45 pm)
Am considering purchase of the following two vehicles and need some advice from M-B owners and possibly Jaguar owners if possible. Have been advised that the 88/89/90 300 Series M-B are virtually indestructible. T/F? Have heard same input on the 91/92/93 XJ-6 Jaguars. Both cars are within my budget. The M-B has 115K (1989) and the Jaguar has 85K (1992). Any input is most appreciated.
Jun 11, 2003 (1:00 pm)
I'd pass on both unless you have a mechanic on retainer. These are both very high maintenance high expense cars.
Jun 12, 2003 (10:14 am)
Assume both brands will need $3,000-$4,000 in repairs to get them back close to functioning somewhat like new. Then around $200 per month to keep them that way......if you were thinking V8 add $50 per month.
The period 100k-140k is when things like transmissions, AC, radiators, fans break and all the rubber isolated suspension arms are worn and sloppy.
Think of the purchase price as just the ticket to spend the same amount soon on maintenance and repairs.
Plus usually owners defer shock replacement prior to sale.
Why does a car depreciate to 10% of its new MSRP.cause its 90% worn out.
The problem with old cars with low mileage is the rubber components and hoses break down from age and exposure to oxygen in air- heat just accelerates the process.
If you gotta buy a 10 year old car get an LS400 [92-93] at least it will cost you a little less to get and keep right.
Jun 13, 2003 (1:41 pm)
Used to drive an Audi 2000 2.7t. Nice Car and Audi will make good on mistakes.
Was persuaded by friends to try an MB E320 2003.
While it's a pretty face, looks are deceiving.
MB CANNOT retrofit this car with the Nav system as initially claimed, AND WILL NOT READILY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS ENGINEERING AND MARKETING FIASCO UNLESS ONE WAS FOOLISH ENOUGH TO PREPAY for nav( i.e. loan MB $2000) for a product with an unannounced delivery date. (Called paying for vaporware in my field.)
Mislead about the availability of a Nav system on the E320,2003 even tho' my car is "pre-wired" for Command system. Dealer blames MB, "who has essentially told us new product adapters to jump in the lake.
World class service?-No way! It's the is the worst I've seen and reminds me of the old Chrysler. And the service center is "not required" to tell me who the "PROPER PEOPLE" to whom they are forwarding my complaint are.
Dealer David Michael (NJ)is unwilling to do anything about this. It's the "not my problem" phenomenon. ""IT'S MB'S fault"
By the way MB 2003 is SLOOOW from 0-30mph.
#198 of 1173 help with power window problem
Jul 10, 2003 (2:21 pm)
hi, I own a 92 300CE. The front driver side window rolled down and now won't move at all. I have had this problem in the past before and was able to get it up again. What seems to be the problem? Could it be the battery being low? The first time it happened, it was when I left the car parked for over 2 weeks without driving it. Thanks. (oh, only the front driver side and sunroof have the problem)
#199 of 1173 help with power window problem
Jul 11, 2003 (6:05 am)
alman08, I had a somewhat similar problem with a 1992 300E. Except that both the window and sunroof acted as though they were possessed by some evil spirit. Opening and closing at will, then not operating at all. The only place where the electrical systems of these two components come together is the "Convienence" modual. It is the thing that allows you to close the sunroof and windows by holding the key in the door lock, in the locked position, for several seconds after exiting the car. Makes it so you don't have to get back in and start the car to close them if you forgot. Anyway, when this modual fails, weird electrical things happen to the windows and sunroof. I suppose it could also be a battery problem, but I would expect you would also have cold start problems. Also, these cars have such a high load on the battery they only last for a couple of years and usually fail completely when they go. Still, it never hurts to have your battery checked out. Especially in summer.
Jul 11, 2003 (1:13 pm)
thanks for you reply. took it in to autozone today and ran a test on the battery. result was "good battery, low charge". the guy there was confused and ran the test again. same thing. so i asked him to charge it up. after charging, ran the test and said it's a good battery. that 15mins later, he ran the test again and it said "good battery, low charge". weird. anyway, i took it back and was hoping it could do the "magic" for the window and it didn't. most likely it just needs a new battery. ok ok, i was being cheap...hhehee... i'm planning to sell the car and try not to buy new things on it, however, with the window in the current position, i guess i will have no choice. let's hope it will work tomorrow when i get a new battery for it.
by the way, you mentioned you had similar problem on yours, how did you get it fixed? thanks.
Jul 11, 2003 (1:27 pm)
I had the "convienence modual" replaced. I forget now how much it was. .... a couple hundred probably. But it took my mechanic a while to find the connection between the windows and sunroof wiring systems. According to him, this modual is the only place (besides the battery) that these two systems come together. It solved all the probelms with the window and sunroof opening and closing by themselves or alternatively NOT opening or closing at all.
Jul 11, 2003 (2:03 pm)
that convience module does work on all windows and sunroof except the driver side front.