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#9 of 24 Re: Interesting article
Jul 07, 2003 (10:37 am)
Chevymalibu19: I think some people just need somthing to complain about. If gmalltheway so much then why did he/she buy a vehicle with them on it? He/she has a 2002 Malibu and it is no surprise that GM put DRL on all of it's vehicles.
I've visited the site before and like you said there are some valid points but not enough for me to condemn the entire concept. It is still a plus to have them especially at dusk. Sometimes the car blends in with the trees and sky and the DRl are only thing the shows that a car is coming. As far as the stats are concerned, I'm not sure how you can measure something that does not happen. Also how you can contribute fewer accidents to DRL esp. when you are dealing with human beings.
Meanwhile gmalltheway, if you must have the DRL turned off, call your local Chevy dealer and ask the service manager. I'm sure if anyone knows they do.
Jul 07, 2003 (10:51 am)
Something to COMPLAIN about!? If you would have read the MANY things i have said , I LOVE MY MALIBU LS, I KNOW all GM vehicles have DRL's anyone who drives would notice that as they drove down the road and saw the lights on all GM vehicles. I simply wanted to change something on my car and was looking for some help on doing that. I'm sure you've "complained" about your car before, seeing that it is a Ford Exploder.
#11 of 24 RE: dtownfb
Jul 08, 2003 (7:07 am)
First off I have 1996 V8 Explorer not Exploder. It has 140k miles on it and has served me very well. I would put my Explorer (not Explorers in general) on par with the reliability of a Toyota Corolla. I only hope you and I can say that about our Malibus after 140k miles. I highly doubt it since I have already complained more about my Malibu in the 28k miles I have put on it then my Explorer in the 140k.
I will note that your first post that the title was printed in capital letters which indicates "shouting" on web boards. Your first line of your post indicates that " ...and i HATE the Daytime Running Lights". So now I think you have some strong hatred towards DRL which is why I directed that statement towards you. I apologize if I offended you as that was not my intent. Personally, I could care less about DRL. I have a hard time understanding how DRL esp. when you can't even see theme from inside the car, evoke so much anger and consume so much time. Esp. when we tolerate things like people ride the left lane, people reading in their cars, kids not being properly buckled in the cars, dogs sitting on the driver's lap, etc.
I've read through the website a couple of years ago. And like I stated earlier some valid points but they lost me when they started to indicate that DRL hurt fuel economy and down played some of the obvious conditions where DRL lights are beneficial. Now I do agree that some manufacturers took the easy route and are using high beams and that some of the DRL are a little bright. But the concept of DRL lights is still sound to me. Heck you have a number of people disputing the benefits of ABS (and still do) and seatbelt use.
As I suggested in my previous post, call your Chevy dealership and talk to the service manager on how to turn off the DRL. They can probably tell you the best way to do it... if it is possible. Or check your manual for the fuse box configuration. See if there is a dedicated fuse for the DRL.
#12 of 24 gmalltheway
Jul 09, 2003 (3:22 am)
Disconnect the DRL resistor, rear of front impact bar behind front fascia. Wiring harness ID is:
Pin A, GRAY, Circuit 589, DRL Resistor Supply Voltage
Pin B,BLACK, Circuit 1350, Ground
Will probably set DTC B2600 and light the SERVICE indicator.
Jul 09, 2003 (8:20 am)
Is it not possible to pull the circuit breaker? The Fuse map in the manual says that the DRLs have there on breaker, so I'd guess, and it's just a guess, that that can be pulled disabling the DRL system.
Jul 09, 2003 (7:49 pm)
I just discovered this board on DRLs and could not believe my eyes. I'm being blinded by a complaint against DRLs. It boggles my mind that people are so upset about this. I read the anti DRL site and was bewildered. Are these people for real, Is this the only thing they can cry about. Give me a break. I know, i know, i am stepping on somebodys toes with spiked shoes.
Really what is the problem. Where do i start and will i be able to finish. hehe
The other site was rambling about the glare of these lights and the blinding effect they have and the problem of being followed by "blinding" DRLs in the daytime. I suggest that these people hang up their liscence if they are bothered by these lights in the daytime. How on earth do they drive at night when their eyes are dilated and the littlest bit of light burrows to the back of your skull. Come on people. If you want to stare at these lights because you have a pet peeve that they make you stare at them , go ahead. But do not try and convince me that i am blinded by them in the daytime. They are far less intense than a regular low beam light at night when you pupil is wide open. Do you stare at those in the night when the DRLs go off.
I'm surprise that there isn't a website dedicated to having all lights turned off at night because when you stare at every car coming towards you at night, they are blinding and can cause a dangerous situation. Geeeessss
The sun is in the sky, it is bright and if you stare at it every time you notice it out of the corner of your eye, it will bother you and will most probably, will literally blind you. That is why 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the people DO NOT look at it.
Crappers i hardly even notice them,(people tell me i'm a stickler for detail) and never have thought that they were bright and blinding. I think that the only time that i would notice them is if the other buddy was coming at me head on, and then i would be glad that they were there.
This crap about the climate and ambient light is crapola. I always found that when you are driving into the sun or the sun reflects off a car to render it almost invisible, the one thing i see is the coherent DRL peeking through, that is unaffected by the reflection , glare et al. Hence their use on motorbikes.
If you fixate on something like you have OCD then for sure they will bother you. It's like when you drive through some off the wall town and everybody seems to have the same weird lawn oraments, like the fat lady bending over, showing her knickers(like the British say). Then you start to fixate and start looking and staring at them,(not in a pre-vert way,bad example hehe) hence taking your eyes off the road more than one should.
The whole time i read the other site, i kept thinking about all those motorcycles out there running people off the road, blinding and maiming people.(sarcastic) But then, ta da, they even had an excuse for that saying that the sea of DRLs will detract you from seeing a motorcycle. Ummm, ahem, you cant have it both ways, why is that daytime running lights work for motorcycles and not for cars. give me a break.
This reminds me of the seat belt thingee way back in the dark ages where people would rather go through the windshield, across the hood and get run over by their own car because they heard a story that some "one", once, somewhere died because the seat belt would not come off.
People hate change and i think if these drl people were running the world for the last couple hundred years, we would be riding around in wagons and living in huts. No wonder the aliens do not want to have anything to do with us down here. LOL
Anyway , i appoligize in advance, to all the crusaders out there, that i have offended, that believe they are saving the world but i saw nothing convincing, other than the fuel consumption that is really an issue. If you want to complain about fuel than think about your air conditioner. It takes a hell of a lot of DRLs to make up for one AC.
PS> if you really want to stop carnage on the road try fixating on drunk drivers and unfit/not maintained cars and big trucks.
Here's a thought to fixate on, those moron cell phone users that can't unglue the stupid phone from the side of their stupid head while they weave their way down the middle of the road drinking their 8 million degree coffee from MacDonalds, reading the newspaper, shifting their standard while fiddling with their CD player.
I am truly sorry but "i don't get it"
there ! thats enough!
Jul 09, 2003 (11:50 pm)
I'd have to agree with most of what Mooonshadow said, just not quite as passionately and as elequantly.
It puzzles me also how some people can come up with some of the reason they do to oppose DRLs. Although we must admit, without these such people opposing new things, some things wouldn't get better. For example, these DRLs have become very Sophisticated and more effective since they were first introduced. Like when they were first used with the high beams, I understand how that could have been a bit of a concern, but they evolved into the now low intensity DRLs which are more effective in more ways then one. Due to such groups and people similar to those who created that little web site, which i must admit is kinda ridiculous at times, but also very informative and thought provoking, they are partly responsible for the continued improvement of such ideas and inventions like DRLs. Speaking of improvements, I like the idea of the front parking lights at increased intensity better then the headlights at reduced intensity. The parking lights attract just as much, if not more, attention to the car. One reason i believe, is because the colour yellow automatically attracts attention.
I'm a big fan of DRLs, because I too, have been saved by those lights several times. Especially at dawn and dusk (my goodness dusk can be a pain to drive in, cause the angle of the sun plus all the traffic.) Anyway, I'm still waiting to see the possible unforeseen concerns with the parking lights as DRLs, I'm interested to see what someone has to say about how they could have a negative impact on the road.
#16 of 24 i know in the trucks...
Jul 13, 2003 (5:32 pm)
if you press the dome override switch four times the DRLs go off...check the manual and see if there is something like that on these cars.
#17 of 24 I HATE DRL's
Jul 14, 2003 (4:57 am)
My wife and I just purchased a 2003 Toyota Land Cruiser that comes with the DRL's as standard equipment . A few days ago I went to the dealrship to ask them to remove the drl's and they told me they could not do it I said OK , then I pulled over to the service manager of the same dealer and he said no problem but it would cost me $126.00 to remove the chip from the computer job done all the other lights working perfect . For you guys out there this pesky lights that some auto manufacture want to impose on us are not the law of the country and is your right to have them disconnected by the dealer.
#18 of 24 How to FILE A COMPLAINT about your Malibu
Jul 29, 2003 (8:41 am)
For all of those experiencing problems with your Malibu (brakes, etc.), YOU CAN FILE A COMPLAINT with the Center for Auto Safety (www.autosafety.org) and with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration - NHTSA (www.nhtsa.dot.gov). Both offer online filing of complaints. These complaints are used for investigations and as the basis for forcing manufacturer recalls on defective products. You can also indicate if you would like to be part of a CLASS ACTION lawsuit.
Both sites have a wealth of information about what you can do with a defective vehicle (info about lemon laws, attorney referrals by state, complaining to the manufacturer, "secret warranties" to extend the mfr's warranty, technical service bulletins, recalls and investigations, etc.).
PLEASE TAKE ACTION WITH THESE GOVERNMENT AND CONSUMER ORGANIZATIONS. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO FORCE GM TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR PRODUCTS.