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Subaru, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Sedan, Wagon
Your Community Leaders are ateixeira and rsholland.
#9601 of 10838 Re: Legacy GT questions [robbieg]
Dec 05, 2006 (4:30 pm)
Hey - I have a 2005 Legacy 2.5i. It has been to the dealer whom I bought it from three times to no avail, and the fourth time to a different Subaru dealer worked...the rattle was from a broken clip in the drivers side vent. But it was amazing how three trips to a Subaru dealership, and they couldn't find it - each time making up a new "yeah, we got it, it was a, ummm, loose thing, behind the, um, dials we think"...minutes down the road, and there it was, rattlin' away...hope this helps!
#9602 of 10838 turbo 4 vs 6cyl
Dec 06, 2006 (11:45 am)
Just starting my research regarding Subarus. I noticed the 6 cyl LLBean version is a little cheaper than the 2.5XT model. I can only assume that the 2.5XT is very expensive to build. What are the main differences between the two motors in the real world? Both have about the same HP and torque. Hard to believe the 3.0 is all that much smother. I must bve missing something.
#9603 of 10838 Re: turbo 4 vs 6cyl [evergreen]
Dec 06, 2006 (12:07 pm)
The turbo four and six cylinder are two different cars in feel. I bought the six because it has a smooth immediate response in heavy traffic, though it is slower 0-60 than the turbo. The turbo has an initial lag followed by much faster accelleration than the six. MPG in the real world may be slightly better with the six. The six engine idles nearly silently; the four has a little shake.
If bumper-to-bumper traffic is not a large part of your driving, the turbo lag may not matter.
The LLBean perforated seat upholstery in a slightly darker color is both good looking and more practical than the all beige leather. (My 2005 3.0R VDC wagon has the all beige.)
If you like the turbo, be sure to also consider the Legacy GT which has better brakes and much better handling than the Outback. One drive in the GT and you probably will be hooked.
#9604 of 10838 Re: turbo 4 vs 6cyl [evergreen]
Dec 06, 2006 (12:12 pm)
The H4 turbo makes it's peak torque sooner than the H6, so it will feel stronger and get better acceleration, lag notwithstanding. I have owned both engines over the years, and the H6 wins for refinement by a long shot. The H4-turbo gets the award for excitement. They have two different missions.
Other differences between the models are slightly more ground clearance for the XT, and firmer "sport" seats in the XT versus softer wider seats in the LLB. The XT can be had with the black interior whereas the LLB is dark/light taupe only. And the XT has more doodads like the electroluminescent gauges, SI drive, and sport shift buttons on the steering wheel.
#9605 of 10838 Re: turbo 4 vs 6cyl [c_hunter]
Dec 06, 2006 (12:41 pm)
For that reason the XT is a sportier package, and would be my choice between the two. I bet my wife would opt for the LL Bean, though.
#9606 of 10838 Re: turbo 4 vs 6cyl [ateixeira]
Dec 06, 2006 (12:59 pm)
I'm with your wife. Purely in a figurative sense, Juice!
#9607 of 10838 Sub's XM Radio Shortcomings
Dec 07, 2006 (8:43 am)
I have an 07 OB XT w/the built-in XM Satellite Radio. If you've never tried Satellite Radio (XM or Sirius), you don't know what you're missing -- it's awesome. Having XM built in is a pleasure versus the suction cup add-on I had in my 04 OB.
That being said, Subaru's integrate radio is a pretty pathetic attempt. These are the shortcomings that I'd like to see them improve (most could be fixed w/a firmware upgrade):
- The displayed items are woeful
- Why can't the artist/song be scrolled across the display instead of being truncated ?
- Seeing "Allman Bro"/"Led Zeppli" or "Wiping Pos"/"Stairway t" just doesn't cut it
- They should display the Channel & Category Name
- Presently, they display the Channel number (SAT 1-2, Channel 46)
- There's plenty of room -- they don't need to display the info so BIG
- They need a small buffer so that you can pause or FF/RW
- The option cost $456 (to add a tiny bit of Memory would add a few dollars to the cost)
These are my ideas -- hopefully SOA monitors this site and can get it together. It'd be nice if they could offer a firmware upgrade the service guys could flash next time I take it in. Hopefully, other's have more ideas.
#9608 of 10838 Re: turbo 4 vs 6cyl [c_hunter]
Dec 07, 2006 (10:29 am)
That's right -- you have the unique advantage of having owned both types!
I often hear about people saying the H6 makes better power down low. Theoretically, that makes sense since it is a larger displacement NA engine, but when I test drove an OBXT and LLBean back-to-back that really didn't seem to be the case. The OBXT seemed to pull harder from throttle tip-in. I wondered if it was just sampling error -- what have been your experiences?
#9609 of 10838 Re: turbo 4 vs 6cyl [kens]
Dec 07, 2006 (11:03 am)
I think that may just be a perception issue. I have test driven the XT but own a 3.0 wagon. I think it is just the fact that the XT is not at all linear that makes it feel weaker on the low end. It hits that certain rpm where is seems to become more ferocious, where the H6 is more linear in it's power delivery.
My $0.02 at least.
#9610 of 10838 Re: turbo 4 vs 6cyl [zman3]
Dec 07, 2006 (1:24 pm)
The H6 will be significantly more expensive to service over time because so much is run off the timing chain - various pumps, etc. The 2.5T has a good old-fashioned timing belt.