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Subaru, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Sedan, Wagon
Your Community Leaders are ateixeira and rsholland.
#9134 of 10838 Re: C&D Long Term Test [ateixeira]
Jul 06, 2006 (8:46 am)
My 2005 Legacy GT Limited sedan is now 13 months old and has 25k on the odometer.
The only problems to date include a burnt out headlamp at 18k, and the poorly designed Automatic Climate Control. I did find that the ACC worked flawlessly all winter long. Once I set the temp on AUTO, it seemed to maintain a constant temperature.
However, starting my second summer with the A/C is another story. This unit certainly has a mind of it's own. It doesn't cool down the car too quickly. Over 90 degrees, and you need to run it full blast for a very long time. AUTO mode switches the vents around, and occasionally starts to dump hot air into the car. A 2 degree change in the temp setting will either leave you freezing or baking.
As for the long term, I expect the same as my other Subarus - 100k+ with minimal problems. Rob M.
#9135 of 10838 My Legacy experience
Jul 06, 2006 (9:05 am)
I think C&D report is the most credible of any auto magazine. You have to expect the C&D staff to push a 250 HP sport sedan a lot harder that other vehicles, and you know a sane owner who has to work for a living and pay all the bills would treat the car more carefully.
My 05 Legacy (without the short throw kit) had a rubbery shifter that often times stymied my attempts for a quick shift.
I had no clutch problems - in fact the clutch action was better that any other MT car I owned (Nissan, Mitsubishi, Honda, Dodge).
My Legacy never idled roughly, but I am very particular about where I buy my gas (I prefer Shell, because all grades get a good detergent additive package).
My 05 Legacy seats are okay, much better than the 03 Legacy wagon it replaced. I would think the power adjustments and adjustable lubar support would allow most drivers a comfortable position.
Many people complain about the Subaru auto climate control. I find ALL autoclimate controls annoying. Give me an AC compressor off/on button and manual temperature control any day. I also dislike window defog controls settings that automatically activate the AC compressor and blow ice cold air on my face. (I have been tempted to unplug the AC compressor clutch in the winter!)Yes, I KNOW that the dehumidified air will defog the window faster, but let ME control it!!!
#9136 of 10838 Re: C&D Long Term Test [garandman]
Jul 06, 2006 (9:11 am)
C&D should learn quickly that with the growth of internet forums, the automotive press is irrelevent. Why listen to 20 something interns writing about a car when you can read what real owners think?
You don't read C&D, do you? I would hardly call their staff 20 something interns. I think it is one of the better auto mags out there.
#9137 of 10838 about the clutch
Jul 06, 2006 (9:25 am)
This one is absolutely a failing in Subaru. The clutch is weak because it has to be to protect an ancient 5 speed gearbox whose case, and thus engineering limits, was designed in 80s when Subaru's most powerful offering was a turbo pushrod 8 valve 1.8L making 110 horsepower.
Regardless of upgrades inside the case, you can't overcome small gears and a weak transmission. Hence you make the clutch nice and soft so that it takes the hit, and hopefully prevents or at least delays gearbox problems.
Guess what? The STi has absolutely no problems with its 6 speed transmission, which weighs almost 100 pounds more than the 5 speed and is much larger. Now-- you do have a point about AWD providing huge amounts of traction, something that your typical 2WD vehicle doesn't have to worry about. But with the six speed, something else always breaks before the clutch or gearbox gives out. It's often an axle.
#9138 of 10838 Re: Trailer hitch wiring: Mystery Solved! [flyinlow]
Jul 06, 2006 (11:04 am)
Yes, your experience parallels mine. I was about ready to give up when I finally found the connector. I cannot imagine why Subaru wants to make this so difficult to find. You have a Legacy, right? I'm glad this is working out for you. The JCWhitney should be plug-n-play. Just make sure that there is a fuse installed (in the engine compartment fuse box) for the 12VDC supply. If you need I'll look up and supply the fuse location number.
#9139 of 10838 Re: Nokian tires [garandman]
Jul 06, 2006 (11:06 am)
How did you attach the picture to your message? I need to learn this.
#9140 of 10838 Re: C&D Long Term Test [samiam_68]
Jul 06, 2006 (11:18 am)
My experience, 2005 OBXT, 25K miles:
2. rough idle, sometimes. Don't know what causes it.
3. weak cluth, yes I thing this thing smokes and stinks way too often. I expect to have to replace it in the future.
5. auto climate control, sucks(blows) big time. Worst feature is that it blows hot air in vent-only mode. Wish I had a plain manual system.
7. low beams burning out.
#9141 of 10838 Seat comfort
Jul 06, 2006 (11:53 am)
In the FWIW department, I'd always found the (leather, power) seat in my OB to get uncomfortable on long trips (more than 100 miles or so). After a lot of playing around with the adjusters, I found that reclining the seat "one notch" back from my around-town position and moving it back far enough (2-3 inches from normal?) so that I could stretch out my right leg (with toes under the pedals) pretty much solved the problem (typically while in cruise control mode). I haven't had to do this with other vehicles, but what the heck - it worked. I'm six feet and 185 - slightly long-waisted.
Ken in Seattle
#9142 of 10838 What's the Subaru Crew all about?
Jul 07, 2006 (6:23 pm)
I'm pretty new to the forum and a little dense, I guess, but what is the Subaru Crew and why do the forums seem to be separate?
#9143 of 10838 Re: What's the Subaru Crew all about? [flyinlow]
Jul 07, 2006 (6:29 pm)
Eh, that crew. They're just a bunch of would-be know-it-all elitists who hang around day in and day out tossing out marginal advice to hapless victims that cross through.
No.... They are a great bunch of Subaru owners (or ex-owners) who enjoy sharing their experiences and knowledge! Intuitively, that seems like an okay explanation, but good question! What does it take to be a "member" of the crew?