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#8897 of 10838 Significan Innovation Coming to the New 2007 Outback XT!
Apr 22, 2006 (3:54 pm)
"SI-Drive: Three Engines in One
The new SI-Drive system allows the driver to maximize engine performance, control and efficiency by choosing from among three selectable modes – “Intelligent”, “Sport” and “Sport Sharp”– using a rotary dial on the center console.
The SI-Drive controls the electronic throttle system’s response and fuel and ignition curves to modify engine torque characteristics, changing the performance character of the car in each mode. With "Intelligent" mode selected, the system reduces engine torque and maximum power and switches to a more relaxed throttle response curve. Intelligent mode is an ideal choice for smoother response while commuting in traffic, for example, where it can also help boost fuel efficiency by up to 10 percent. In addition, "Intelligent" mode’s more relaxed responses and lower torque output make it an ideal complement to the low-traction surface driving safety provided by the Subaru Symmetrical All-Wheel Drive System.
In “Sport” mode, the performance of the 2.5 GT spec.B (and other 2007 turbo Legacy and Outback models) is similar to the 2006 model, with quick throttle responses and powerful, linear acceleration. The linear acceleration characteristic of this versatile mode makes it ideal for driving on freeways and suburban streets or for climbing mountain roads.
In “Sport Sharp” mode, SI-Drive modifies the engine’s electronic throttle mapping to deliver lightning quick throttle response and more power sooner. Delivering maximum driving enjoyment, this mode is ideal for tackling twisty roads and for merging or overtaking other vehicles on the highway with confidence."
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#8898 of 10838 Re: Adios Passat, Hello Outback! [cyberfire12]
Apr 22, 2006 (4:48 pm)
For a sobering experience,Read my post #8886 as I own an 86k 2001 Outback and a 31k 2005 Outback and highly recommend the extended warranty coverage up to 100k - at a quoted price of $1200 for the comprehensive mechanical coverage of the gold plan it is money well spent as I have had about $2000 in repairs in the last year on my 2001 and it would have been $3000 without Subaru extended coverage on a bad head gasket. I love the safety and performance of my Outbacks but compared to troublefree driving of a 200k Honda and a 150k Toyota I cannot understand how Subaru can be considered a reliable vehicle.
#8899 of 10838 Re: Adios Passat, Hello Outback! [reliable2]
Apr 23, 2006 (5:15 am)
its all in the statistics isn't it. while your experience is unfortunate its not typical, anymore than my Acura blowing an engine at 70K or my secreatry getting 150K trouble free miles on her Windstar while I needed a new tranny on ours at 38K and a new head gasket at 70K (which from what I can gather is a far more typical Ford experience!) Toyotas and Hondas certainly have a well deserved reputation for reliability but Subarus are not far behind and either last year or the year before, Subaru in CRs annual car reports beat out Honda. Unfortunately you were at one end of the bell curve just as I was with my old Acura. I'm on my 5th Subaru and overall I would say its been a good experience coming from a "Honda family". It sure as heck beats any VAG product any day (having had a Golf, Scirocco and 4000 and GT)!
#8900 of 10838 Re: Adios Passat, Hello Outback! [cptplt]
Apr 23, 2006 (1:26 pm)
I would like to second the comment on better Subaru reliability than anything from VAG. I have owned 12 VW or Audi cars over many years and every one was very nice to drive but nasty to own even in warranty. Too much time in VW/Audi service departments is not compensated for by the free coffee!
I'm on my second Subaru (2005 Outback 3.0R VDC wagon)and I have had minimal service requirements outside of oil changes and tire rotation. I did have the rear hatch strut problem like some of the Tribecas which was cheerfully remediated by my dealer. Incidentally the Outback oil change costs $100 LESS than for my 2002 W8 Passat.
#8901 of 10838 2005-6 Outback Suspension Floaty-Bouncy ?
Apr 24, 2006 (5:44 am)
I am driving a Saab 92x - which is a Subie Impreza wagon with Saab tuning on the springs and extra soundproofing. I like the car alot...very tight suspension and steering but little on the light side. I went to a Subie dealer and bought a used 2005 base Outback after a short test. LOVED everything about the car but on first drive on road to work...a road with some slight dips....I felt the suspension on the car kind of getting a little floaty and me getting a little nauseated....the ride became perfect again on flat roads but i started noticing that any roads that are rolling or undulating make the suspension float for a bit....(I swapped the car with the wife and she loves the Subie).
The floaty or bouncy-bouncy feeling is NOT during cornering...It is when the car is running in a straight line and simply goes over slight dips or undulating road....I see lots of people adding coils and springs and such but I dont want to lose the great comfortable ride.
I have checked out many cars and the Outback is the closest to perfect for me due to the quietness, smooth ride, quality, awd....but the float is a problem. I have checked out the Legacy GT but too much sport for me as a daily driver and my compromise MIGHT be a base Legacy but it's not even close to an Outback. The Outback is sooooooo close to perfect. My wife is telling me to get a BMW and was thinking a used 315ci or something but the expense scares me.
Can tires alone address this floaty-ness ?
Someone else had posted: "After putting 15k miles on the stock tires, I recently replaced them with Falkens... the cheapest decent tire Discount Tires stocks, and the difference is huge. No more bouncy-bouncy." Any comments/info will be much appreciated
Apr 24, 2006 (9:00 am)
I don't think tires alone will change the ride all that much. You can try a higher air pressure on the current tires to see if you notice a difference. Try 33psi, maybe.
cyberfire12: congrats, first off.
What model? Color? trans? Tell us more about it...
#8903 of 10838 Re: 2005-6 Outback Suspension Floaty-Bouncy ? [maybesaab]
Apr 24, 2006 (9:59 am)
Unfortunately, I don't think tires will change the suspension characteristics. The Outback has a long travel suspension designed with light off-roading in mind. The float is a tradeoff.
Would you explain more about how the Outback is close to being the ideal car for you? Do you need the extra suspension travel and ground clearance? If no, and the float bothers you, I would think the base Legacy would be a close contender. Aside from the suspension, the two are very similar vehicles under the slightly different body cladding. Also the base Legacy is a tad lighter than the Outback so it would also give you better acceleration as well.
#8904 of 10838 Re: 2005-6 Outback Suspension Floaty-Bouncy ? [kens]
Apr 24, 2006 (10:23 am)
You are not alone in your categorization of the Outback's suspension, and there are many threads on this topic both here and at legacygt.com.
I upgraded to Advan ST tires (36f/34r), a 20mm RSB (OE JPM), and as much negative front camber as I could dial-in (-.4degrees). This reduced the mid-turn pogoing, understeer, and straight ahead float to a large degree; but the suspension still needs stiffer dampening IMO. So far the aftermarket is ignoring us. There are coil-over options, but most of us with coil-over experience would not even consider them for a street car (NVH, inevitable issues).
My biggest complaint with the suspension right now is for the rear suspension's proclivity to easily compress into the bumpstops, which was even worse before my mild mods. Makes for a jarring commute through the city streets, long-travel suspension be-damned.
#8905 of 10838 Re: 2005-6 Outback Suspension Floaty-Bouncy ? [kens]
Apr 24, 2006 (12:31 pm)
Thanks for the info...
One of the things I didnt mention was that I do want to get a Subaru and if the Ouback "float" is not correctable for me then I thought a base Legacy was the next best hope so it was good to hear you had the same perspective. Though the Legacy is a nice car and people like them I don't think they come close to the quiet and smoothness of the Outback. It feels like it would be such a compromise in those area that it is hard to be excited about it. Plus the ride in the Legacy "feels" like a small car ride to me while the Outback is more substantial and rides "large". But it is good to know realistically what I wold face if I tried to force the Outback decision. It seems to me there is nothing else on the market that compares to Subaru value, reliability, awd, and in the case of the Outback - also quiet and ride quality. Am I missing something in the market ?
#8906 of 10838 Re: 2005-6 Outback Suspension Floaty-Bouncy ? [maybesaab]
Apr 24, 2006 (4:34 pm)
That's interesting you say that the Legacy doesn't feel as smooth and quiet as the Outback. Both really are almost identical vehicles with the exception of ground clearance, longer travel suspension and other visual cues. Soundproofing and interior space are all the same.
I drive a Legacy GT wagon and I once had an Outback XT loaner while I was getting service. The OBXT did not sound any quieter to my ears, in fact the stock tires are slightly noisier than those on the GTs.
Perhaps some of the "rides large" and "smooth" you percieve is from the higher ground clearance and softer suspension? The OBXT I drove did feel "bigger" partly due to the ground clearance, but also because the suspension is not as responsive.
I think you might be caught in a Catch-22 here. The same qualities you like about the Outback are also what is the cause of the floatiness you dislike.
Perhaps another perspective would help. The Outback is often positioned as an alternative to an SUV. It lets you do all the light-offroading most people don't do anyway with their SUV, but it handles much better. I think part of the complication is that you're comparing an OB to a road-only car.
While you could get an OB and make it's suspension firmer, you would in some ways be defeating the original intent of the vehicle.