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#8579 of 10833 Re: question on modifying an outback [tsy]
Jan 13, 2006 (9:14 am)
In the past Subarus were criticized for oversteering during emergency handling, which would explain the smaller sway bar in the rear to promote understeer. For you changing the handling characteristics makes sense. But for the millions of other drivers out there, understeer is probably safer.
I agree with the understeer being safer for the masses. No argument there. But regarding the Subaru criticism for oversteering... ?? What's your source on that? I have never heard such a thing, and even the most aggressively tuned Subaru ever released, the WRX STi, still is setup for understeer. It understeers a lot more than a stock Evo, for comparison.
Chiming in a bit on the Outback versus Legacy GT comparo.. the main difference is not suspension geometry at all, as I think you'll find they are the same for any given generation of Outback and Legacy other than ride height, which solely lies in strut length and springs. (They both went to rear multilink in 2000, right?) Ride height is something, but I think the key difference that won't ever be eliminated / mitigated is weight if you're comparing the Legacy sedan with an Outback. If you are looking at Legacy wagon vs. Outback... um, I think ride height is about it.
Jan 13, 2006 (11:12 am)
Yep, both Legacy and Outback went from rear struts to rear multilink designs.
#8581 of 10833 Re: question on modifying an outback [locke2c]
Jan 13, 2006 (1:30 pm)
One source for the oversteering comment is Consumer Reports. In addition, several reviewers for buff books.
I would be delighted to have a lower version of my VDC wagon....which was made truck height to keep CAFE problems away. One partial solution, though it might put miles on the odometer faster and uncalibrate the speedometer, is to put on 215-45 tires like on the GT. There might be a software fix for that problem.
#8582 of 10833 Re: another 5EAT "noise" question [kens]
Jan 13, 2006 (2:52 pm)
Do you still have the "click" noise when stopping? My 2005 Outback does the same thing.
#8583 of 10833 Re: question on modifying an outback [locke2c]
Jan 13, 2006 (5:59 pm)
Sorry Colin- I didn't mean to imply what I read was from enthusiasts. Just comments I read on Consumer reports and reviews I've read for 'regular' people (although perhaps they were biased by CR). Not people who go out and buy Evos and Corvettes and BMWs- I wouldn't expect you to read this stuff. It wouldn't apply to you.
Hence my comment regarding safety for the general public. Maybe I didn't tie that in too clearly.
But I can start referencing everything I say in the future if you really want Colin. I just figured this stuff was common knowledge.
#8584 of 10833 Re: question on modifying an outback [locke2c]
Jan 13, 2006 (8:57 pm)
I don't know about earlier models, but I just looked in the parts book for the 05+ models. For the rear suspension, there are at least 10 different parts between Leg and OB, including: strut, spring, trailing arm & bracket, end links, stabilizer bar, support links, bushings, brackets, stoppers, and bolts! I am guessing most of it has to do with suspension travel. There are fewer differences in the front suspension -- about 5-6 different parts there.
We discussed this over on legacygt about 1.5 years ago -- I believe several parts that are stamped steel or cast iron on the Outback are lighter on the Legacy. I seem to recall that, in some parts of the world, the Legacy GT even had a couple aluminum pieces as an upgrade from the base Legacy.
#8585 of 10833 Re: Bay Area Legacy Nation??? [fj60]
Jan 13, 2006 (11:54 pm)
No offence to g.a.y folks (and I support same s.e.x marriage / btw, does this forum have language filters?), but one of my colleagues joked about my new Legacy, saying Subarus are g.a.y cars. And he told me he had seen much more Subies when he got around San Francisco (you know what I mean). I took it as a joke anyway. I thought (still think) Subarus are for those who love sporty and safe cars.
Another funny and REAL story is about the Beetle. One of my friends from mainland China told me it is THE car for concubines. Lots of rich Chinese men buy the Beetle for their mistresses, he said. So, he will NEVER let his wife drive the Beetle so that he won't give a wrong impression to his Chinese community's people.
#8586 of 10833 Re: Bay Area Legacy Nation??? [era174]
Jan 14, 2006 (4:50 am)
Subaru policy is very supportive of alternate lifestyles, so much in fact that their VIP program includes "domestic partners" for qualification.
That may also apply to concubines, I'm not sure...
#8587 of 10833 Kill the honk honk?
Jan 14, 2006 (12:41 pm)
OK, so I figured out how to shut off the 30 second repetitive seat belt beep.
But how can you shut off the honk honk when you enter the forums?
#8588 of 10833 Re: question on modifying an outback [locke2c]
Jan 14, 2006 (5:41 pm)
Colin, Craig, Tom,
Doesn't the GT also have tighter steering than the XT? Or would that be changed with the suspension changes? I was thinking you might also have to replace the steering rack or at least some bushings.
No, I don't know much about what I'm talking about. I do know that the steering of my GT is a lot tighter than that of the standard Legacy. Not sure about the Outback XT.