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#8383 of 10838 Building Toyotas at Subaru's Lafayette Plant
Dec 19, 2005 (2:34 pm)
Might be a precursor to a Toyota-Subaru merge?
It's okay as long as Toyota will make a strong commitment to SAFETY (6 standard airbags on Legacy/Outback & Honda Civic/Accord vs 2 standard airbags on almost all Camry models).
Legacy/Outback might get hybrid technology from Prius.
http://www.whas11.com/sharedcontent/autos/topstories2/112805ccwcAutosToyotaprodu- - ction.1f3b0e8f.html
Under the latest expansion plans, the world's No. 2 automaker has asked Fuji Heavy Industries, maker of Subaru autos, to start building Toyotas in 2007 at a Lafayette, Indiana, factory operated by Fuji's wholly owned subsidiary, Subaru of Indiana Automotive, the Asahi newspaper reported Wednesday, without citing sources.
Company representatives were not available for comment Wednesday, a national holiday in Japan.
Ann McConnell, a spokeswoman for Subaru of Indiana, said Fuji Heavy Industries and Toyota Motor Corp. have been in discussions, but that there has been no word of a decision yet.
There are five to six candidate models for production, the newspaper said, with the number manufactured annually to gradually increase to 100,000 vehicles. Earlier reports have suggested that Toyota might produce hybrid vehicles at the Fuji plant.
The Indiana plant produced nearly 120,000 Subaru models last year.
It wasn't immediately clear if Subaru production would be reduced or what the factory's total vehicle output would be.
Fuji teamed up with Toyota in October after ending a five-year tie-up with GM, which sold its 20 percent in the Japanese company. Toyota, based in Toyota City in central Japan, bought a 8.7 percent stake from GM for about $315 million to become Fuji's top shareholder.
#8384 of 10838 Re: '06 Outback 2.5i SE [kens]
Dec 19, 2005 (2:56 pm)
I looked into the Cobb Accessport a while back, and decided it was not worth the $640 gamble. There is little or no data/info on that economy mode (in contrast to the various power stage modes, where there is a lot of data and experience). Basically, all I know is that they turn off the boost controller and increase the timing under light load conditions. The MPG/range benefits are a big unknown, as is the driveability impact. That would have been a great solution though, if there were some real world MPG data.
I test drove an OB 2.5i SE today -- the local dealer had a green one just like Bob was describing. It's a very nice car, and for $1500 it gives a couple features I would want from the pricier $2500 limited package. I don't really care about Nav, but don't mind it either. The 2.5i rides and handles about the same as my OB XT Ltd, though it seemed a little quieter/softer due to the cloth interior. Heard the same damn tire noise that the Potenzas make on my OB XT (same tire in the 06 2.5i now). Power was adequate most of the time (left the trans in sport mode) but when I went to merge on the highway the car was a real dog (in fact, I missed an open slot in traffic and had to wait for another opening). I immediately missed the turbo engine, which would have launched me right into traffic without an issue.
Makes me wonder -- if I have to flog a 2.5i model, the MPG might not be as great as the window sticker asserts.
I know a manual trans 2.5i would be a little better, but auto is a better all around solution for me. Another oddity is that you can't get a black interior on monotone Outbacks anymore, unless you get black exterior. All the other mono colors come with the taupe interior, which is too light for my tastes (I am sure the cloth would get dirty quick; leather might be safer). The only other way to get a black interior is with the two-tone Outbacks, which are not as appealing. I guess I was lucky to get the mono-gold Outback with black leather in 05, as it's a sharp color combination. I have no idea why they would drop color combos like that!
So I keep coming back to the notion that the OB XT just needs a bigger gas tank. I don't mind the MPG or the cost of fuel, but range is the killer. At a combined 20-21 mpg, a 15.9 gallon tank is just too small! Short of strapping spare gas tanks on the roof, I don't know of a good solution to the problem. Actually, even that is a poor option with a full rack of skis!
It's a pity Subaru doesn't offer the H6 engine in the previous generation Outback -- to me, that was a "just right" engine for the car, and it got great gas mileage.
#8385 of 10838 Scheduled Maintenance Cost?
Dec 19, 2005 (3:17 pm)
I have an '05 OB XT, and it's time to bring it in for the 15K mile service.... I just called my dealer (Downtown Subaru in Oakland CA) to schedule it, and they said it runs $289!
I had thought this service was basically an oil change, tire rotation, and brake inspection... $289 seems like an INSANE price for this.
Am I missing something here? Should I take my business elsewhere?
#8386 of 10838 Re: Scheduled Maintenance Cost? [beakerdude]
Dec 19, 2005 (3:48 pm)
That does sound high. Maybe they are quoting the price for their 15K service instead of the actual recommended 15K service called for in the manual. Most dealers pad service stops with un-needed stuff to make more money.
I normally do my own maintenance, but in cases where I go to the dealer, I ask for specific items. I normally pay $20 for an oil change and $40 for a tire rotation/balance here in tidewater Virginia.
#8387 of 10838 Re: Scheduled Maintenance Cost? [c_hunter]
Dec 19, 2005 (3:58 pm)
Good point... I'll ask 'em what work is *actually* included at that price (vs. what's on the maintenance schedule)...
What have other folks paid for maintenance at the dealer?
#8388 of 10838 Re: '06 Outback 2.5i SE [c_hunter]
Dec 19, 2005 (4:39 pm)
May want to check out the new Rav4.
#8389 of 10838 Fuel Economy: first report
Dec 19, 2005 (6:21 pm)
I drove around 400Km: 90% (city) + 10% (highway).
Liter/100Km = 10.38
Very close to Subaru Canada's spec: 10.4 (City)/7.2 (Highway)
I wonder if anybody knows the formula that converts the Canadian liter/100km into the American gas mileage.
#8390 of 10838 Re: '06 Outback 2.5i SE [samiam_68]
Dec 19, 2005 (6:24 pm)
The new American Rav4 looks good with side & curtain airbag options even on base models.
Canadians have to choose the most expensive model (C$ 10,000 more) to get those extra airbags. What a pity!
#8391 of 10838 Re: Earitating Noise Levels [steveca]
Dec 19, 2005 (6:25 pm)
I have an '06 Outback and have not noticed this, but my tires likely hum differently. Have you tired adjusting your EQ? I hate mid (mid equals muddy). On a graphic eliminating the offending mid-range muddiness results in a V shape. With a treble and bass set up, you add bass and treble up from zero (more treble than bass I find is better with my speakers in the Subie). I don't know if re-emphasizing the frequencies but I thought it was worth a try.
#8392 of 10838 Re: Any Differences in XT and Bean Handling and Ride? [wmquan]
Dec 19, 2005 (6:34 pm)
I have to agree with the good handling comments - my 2.5i limited is very fun to drive. I drove the LL.Bean before my 2.5i and liked it. the audio controls were fine - liked the mute button. I do have the audio controls in our Sienna, but I don't miss them in the Subie. The center section is intuitive. After testing the Bean (the DVD nav was actually the most seductive feature for me), I drove the 2.5i and didn't find the 4 to feel slow. Either way with the options you're looking at I'm sure both will be even more fun to drive than the 2.5i. (note - once had a 2002 Passat and before it became a full-fleged lemon, it was fun to drive as well. I find the Outback gives me similar driving enjoyment). Coming from a 9-3, how about a Legacy Spec. B sedan? Good luck in your search for a new car.