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#84 of 10833 Power and memory seats?
Aug 16, 2003 (11:35 am)
Great forum everyone. Thanks for all the input. I currently have a 1998 Passat GLX. I was just about to buy a new Passat 4motion when I saw the info on the 2005 Legacy. The car looks very nice. I am looking for a sedan in AWD and narrowed my choices to a Volvo s60, Passat AWD and 2005 Legacy. I am around 6 2" and my wife is 5 feet nothing and we LOVE the memory seats our current GLX has. Does anyone know if the 2005 Legacy will have memory drivers seats?
Thanks again for all the info. I am frustratingly anticipating seeing this new subaru.
#85 of 10833 I almost forgot
Aug 16, 2003 (2:15 pm)
While I'm making a list: Subaru need to increasing the tow rating to 4-5k lbs. Why? Even a 10' pop-up type camper is usually over 2500lbs. A nice size pop-up like the Coleman Grand Tour (that we just looked at) is between 3500-4000lbs.
#86 of 10833 Hi Sebberry
Aug 16, 2003 (2:37 pm)
I'm the guy whose cousin owns a dealership, good source of inside information.
Subaru is developing a 7 passenger vehicle to compete with the likes of the BMW X5, so maybe they heard you.
Aug 16, 2003 (2:38 pm)
I too would like to see more towing capability (as just about everyone on this board knows).
I'd also like to see, in regards to a towing package:
* The self-leveling rear suspension.
* Dual-range trannys (both manual & automatic) for aiding in pulling a boat out of the water on a steep boat ramp.
* An electric brake control that is nicely integrated into the interior.
* A driver-controlled brake assist of some sort (larger brakes with an extra set of on-demand calibers?), that will allow for unbraked trailers up to 3000 pounds.
* A hitch receiver and plug that is intigrated into the rear bumper.
I'm going to post this over in the "Suggestions for Subaru" forum too.
#88 of 10833 2005 Legacy
Aug 16, 2003 (7:29 pm)
I hope that the interior has more tan- I like that interior color!
#89 of 10833 no memory seats
Aug 17, 2003 (3:03 pm)
zinny, a pretty thorough review at apexjapan site specifically questioned the lack of memory in otherwise very nice power adjustable drivers seat in the Legacy GT, at least the JDM release.
i dont know if the front passenger seat has power adjustment or not. thats always been a peeve of mine and a big reason we didnt buy an OB wagon three years ago and went, instead, with an Audi A6...even our '94 Explorer has fully adjustable passenger seat, just like the driver's.
#90 of 10833 Great suggestions
Aug 17, 2003 (6:12 pm)
I'm considering cars to replace my 1995 Volvo 850 turbowagon, and the 2005 Legacy as well as the Forester XT are in the running. People's comments about features and preferences are making me realize how hard it will be to replace.
A partial list of features: My Volvo tows up to 3300 lbs, has a high quality tan leather interior, three-way memory seats for both driver and passenger, dual-zone heating/AC with easy-to-use dials, more options for directing the air flow than most other cars, a stereo with big buttons and separate buttons for FM 1 & 2 and AM 1 & 2. This is important to me because my kids use FM2 and AM2 and I use FM1 and AM1, and having separate buttons rather than a sequential selector makes life a lot easier.
The car accelerates about as well as an XT AT but gets better gas mileage. It handles much better and stops better than an XT. It is roomier than the current Legacy, and I can't imagine a Subaru being more reliable than it has been. There are a number of things I like about the Subaru models in comparison to other cars including the current Volvo models, but I wonder if I will have to give up too much even with the new Legacy. Since it looks like and runs almost like new, I may decide to keep the Volvo and make any repairs until something catastrophic happens. At that point, though, I want to be able to know what I want to replace it with.
Maybe Subaru should offer something that Vovlo offers according to Edmunds' full test of the 1996 Volvo turbo: $250,000 to the estate of any occupant killed as the result of an accident. I never knew about this, and I'm not sure I want my family to know.
#91 of 10833 Memory Seats
Aug 17, 2003 (6:46 pm)
Thanks subewannabe. This is going tp make the choice between a Passat GLX and the subaru even harder..........hmmmmm.
Aug 17, 2003 (7:07 pm)
A bunch of us here are hoping (praying!) the new Legacy and Outback will match the Volvo's 3300 pound towing. If not the Legacy, certainly the Outback, since that model will more likely to see towing duty.
#93 of 10833 We all want different things
Aug 18, 2003 (6:48 am)
The current Outback is a strange beast. I bought a well-equiped base wagon and paid $20,700, which is well-within the standard Accord/Camry/Altima price range. Considering my OBW has much more cargo room, AWD and some off-road prowess and towing ability, I can view it as a bargain. At the other end of the scale, Subaru must have a much harder time pushing product. Once you hit the $30K mark your options grow exponentially because "luxury" brands come into play.
I personally thought about getting a Limited wagon but at the same price ($27-28K) I could get an Audi A4 Avant Quattro 1.8T. It's somewhat of a different beast but the loss-leader Audi has a surprisingly long list of standard features (even if you have to sit on cloth) and Quattro is probably the best AWD system on the market.
If people are clamoring for more towing/power I think Subaru should create a new larger model to meet these needs rather than bloat up the Outback. Remember that the Outback is the anti-SUV, featuring better handling, ride and gas mileage than your standard SUV. If you make it bigger, heavier, and more powerful then some of its "unique" market positioning is lost. I just filled up my OBW for the first time and got 21.7mpg...not too bad for a virgin engine driven in an urban environment with the A/C on all the time. I don't want to see that dip into the sub-20mpg region just so I can tow 3500 lbs.
Although I'm probably in the minority here, I think Subaru could make the 5spd gearing a little longer. I'm going to look under my hood to see if somebody stuck in a small turbo because I am continually surprised by how much power the flat-4 provides especially down low. No, it's not sports sedan fast but it's very driveable in almost any situation I've encountered (which includes daily highway merges). There's just no way the 0-60 rating on this vehicle is 10.5 seconds. It feels like the upper 8's/lower 9's to me. Subaru could make 5th gear longer for better gas mileage because the engine turns over at about 3800rpm when you are crusing at 80mph.