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#794 of 10833 Check Edmunds on Passat vs Legacy size
Mar 04, 2004 (4:01 pm)
Exterior H6 Outback W8 Passat V6 Passat
Length 187.4 in. 184.3 in. 184.3 in.
Width 68.7 in. 68.7 in. 68.7 in.
Height 63.3 in. 58.9 in. 58.6 in.
Weight 3715 lbs. 4067 lbs. 3840 lbs.
Whl Base 104.3 in. 106.4 in. 106.4 in.
Clearance 7.9 in. 5.8 in. 5.8 in.
Interior H6 Outback W8 Passat V6 Passat
Frt Hdrm 38.5 in. 37.8 in. 37.8 in.
Rrr Hdrm 37.2 in. 37.9 in. 37.9 in.
Frt Shlder 53.9 in. 55.8 in. 55.8 in.
Rr Shlder 53.6 in. 54.6 in. 54.6 in.
Frt Hip 51.3 in. Not Published Not Published
Rr Hip 51.9 in. Not Published Not Published
Frt Leg 43.3 in. 41.5 in. 41.5 in.
Rear Leg 34.3 in. 35.3 in. 35.3 in.
Max Lug 34.3 cu.ft. 36 cu.ft. 36 cu.ft.
Max Seat 5 5 5
Pretty close for the current models and the new Legacy is spoosed to be bigger on the inside.
I wonder if people are sniffing something if they think they are getting prestige when buying a VW. Subaru and VW are in same league. Unfortunately VW needs the 4 years B To B warranty. Passats are nice but in no way do they match the value of a Legacy.
Pricing H6 Outback W8 Passat V6 Passat
MSRP $32,620 $39,660 $33,605
Invoice $29,510 $36,381 $30,911
TMV®) $29,786 $36,310 $30,744
Mar 04, 2004 (4:02 pm)
Thats the word that the sales manager gave me, so we will see, this is about inline with what the price structure is in Australia, UK, and the other markets that the new model is already being sold in.
A couple of guys in Australia who post from time to time reported paying a minimal increase when they bought the new model over what they had paid for the previous model.
Like he said Subaru is really aware that if they price too high they will be in trouble, I cannot see them doing things differently here than they have done in the other markets.
Mar 04, 2004 (4:50 pm)
The Car Talk guys on NPR had a great rant on their show last week about how Subaru must be crazy to slowly abandon the part of the market that contains their loyal customers. Those of you who are similarly concerned ought to listen (their show is available online at cartalk.com). I'm not an owner, but as a general enthusiast I've always had respect for the cars. Personally, I always really liked the scrappy little GL 4WD wagons they sold in the '80s, but the current Legacy Outback is a pretty nice vehicle too, and at a reasonable price for what you get. I called VW crazy for moving upscale a year or two ago, and it looks like I was right...I'll be interested to see how Subaru handles their attempt.
#797 of 10833 where to put this?...
Mar 04, 2004 (5:36 pm)
is subaru ever going to make another ragtop?
Mar 05, 2004 (10:48 am)
The new Legacy will be close enough, then, but the next Passat could grow, too.
Rumor has it Subaru's warranty will improve, we'll see about that.
Ragtop: did you like the B9SC? Well, too bad, it's doubtful they'll produce it.
I'd love to see that roadster, but a coupe is more likely, a 7 seater is much more likely, a big sedan is more likely. Hen's teeth are more likely.
#799 of 10833 Premium Warranty
Mar 05, 2004 (12:08 pm)
As the price point of Subarus goes up, the warranty coverage should fall in line with other "Premium" models. For Subaru it needs to be revamped into the 4 Year B To B free scheduled maintenance warranty like the other premium brands. Doing this would add another layer of value to the cars.
Subaru still has some value packed cars that don't abandon the 'inexpensive and built to stay that way" theme. The base Imprezas are still relatively low cost sub 20K. Subaru has incentives now, but can probably do a price adjust and value pack these if they need to move more of them.
Mar 05, 2004 (12:42 pm)
Subaru can easily increase their warranty to 4/50,000 w/ little impact. They tend to have initial minor issues and then are reliable as hell. A company like VW gets hit more by increasing their warranty.
Mar 05, 2004 (1:03 pm)
Not only that, the powertrain warranty is already 5/60 and most of the issues we see here are covered by that. Stretching the bumper to bumper by a year won't cost them anything.
They tried 2 years' free maintenance with the LL Bean, so they may bring that back. I don't see it happening on all models, though.
My dealer virtually loses money on new car sales, but them recovers it on service ($90 per hour labor charge). Dealers won't want to give that up too soon.
Mar 05, 2004 (2:08 pm)
free service is overrated anyway, since it usually ends up being a couple of free oil changes and maybe a tire rotation. On BMWs, you may get a free brake job out of it, but you do pay up front for the privilege.
#803 of 10833 Clearance
Mar 05, 2004 (3:22 pm)
Somewhere (but I can't remember where) I read that the '05 Legacy GT will be 1" higher than its '04 counterpart. Did I dream this?
And since I have no idea what the current model sports for ground clearance to begin with, can anyone tell me what the '05 will have? It's does not appear to be in the specs that I have found online.
From what I can gather, the Legacy GT (MT), will have a final gear ratio is 4.11 (vs. the Outback's 4.44). Is this accurate?