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#782 of 10838 Legacy 3.0R Spec B
Mar 03, 2004 (2:55 pm)
Not sure if somebody has already posted this or not, but Subaru just pulled the wrapper off of a concept Legacy at the Geneva auto show. This particular model is called the 3.0R Spec B and uses the STI's six speed transmission mated to the flat six engine. Dreams do come true! If only they'll put this into production and sell it in North America. I'd buy it in a heart beat.
Here is the link for some info:
Here is the link for some photos:
The Spec B photo is down the page. Autoweek has several good pics. Nice wheels.
#783 of 10838 $30-35K Subaru?
Mar 03, 2004 (6:56 pm)
I'm hoping the Legacy GT sedan comes in no more than $28K. I love Subarus, but let's face it, how many people will be willing to spend $30-35K on a Subaru when they can get a 325, G35, C240, S60, X-Type, A4 or TL for the same price. Although it can run with the best, I don't think Subaru will be able to pull off being known as a luxury car.
#784 of 10838 "$30-$35K Subaru"--Wow!
Mar 04, 2004 (6:30 am)
As long as you can buy a Honda Accord, Toyota Camry, and Mazda 6 for a base price of around $22K WITH several key options....there is no WAY that people will buy at $35k Subaru--I agree with your assessment. Also, checking the various e-tailers the average Subaru Legacy supply is quite high (over 60 cars available and as high as 150) and the price is running close to invoice ($18k-$20K). To jump to $30K is a real stretch for SOA. Finally, SOA will be competing with Ford 500s, Chevy Malibus, repriced Saabs 9-3, and new S40 and S60....goes on and on. Several of the new models from Ford and Dodge will have AWD (mated with CVT). The Pacifica can be had for about $32K with AWD after rebates. Much larger car with some MB parts in there and with several good reviews coming in from Autoweek and even Edmunds...So yes $30K for a 104.1 in wheelbase car with no luxury pedigree competing with Infiniti, Audi, Lexus, Saab, and Volvo (4 yr bumper to bumper warranty with roadside care) and the likes is a TOUGH TOUGH TOUGH sell. Let's hope that they can produce a car that has all of the right options AND is priced under luxury cars. After all I am starting to see more and more V6 Hyundai, Kia, and the likes that are taking sales from the $20K-$25k japanese crowd. Subaru has to compete with these brands as well.
Mar 04, 2004 (7:50 am)
To me the draw of the Subaru is that it is a wagon, not the AWD. If there was an Accord or Camry wagon, then that is what I would compare it to price wise.
Mar 04, 2004 (8:09 am)
"I haven't looked at any specs but I would be surprised if it was smaller than a Maxima and surprisingly larger than a G35 since they are the same platform. Is there really a difference is size?"
The G35 is built on Nissan's FM(front mid-ship) platform, along with the 350Z and the FX35/45. The Maxima shares the FF-L platform with the Altima and the Murano. The Maxima is indeed larger than the G35, as the G35 is slightly smaller overall than the Altima.
#787 of 10838 kenoka
Mar 04, 2004 (8:29 am)
Thanks, I was not aware of that. I didn't realize that the Altima and Maxima share a platform. I have always equated platform with size. Apparently not, unless the Maxima and the Altima are now the same size, which would surprise me.
I will actually cross shop the G35x with the 2005 H6 Outback. I am most concerned about having AWD and a 6 cylinder engine. Size, sedan, wagon, etc are less important to me as long as it is bigger than an Impreza and smaller than a SUV/crossover.
Mar 04, 2004 (8:39 am)
The A6 is a lot bigger IMO, in fact the current Passat is a little bit bigger than the new Legacy, at least in the rear seat. Probably in width too.
Even the Passat is priced too high, sales are down, waaaaay down this year. VW moved upscale, does Subaru want to do the same?
#789 of 10838 Legacy MSRP Prices - Full Boat - Loaded
Mar 04, 2004 (10:10 am)
IMHO 28-32K max is probably the full MSRP on a full boat loaded GT wagon or sedan or Outback H6 VDC. Thats alot but it's for the top of the line. There are other options for the NA H4 which should be sportier as it has shed 200 LBS 168HP.
redkey1 - A friend has the TSX and I like it alot it's sporty for sure, but it won't have the sporting capability of a turbo GT Legacy.
kevin111 - The TL is a awesome car with great features. This will be a tough cross shop for the Legacy.
Zoomer - 30-35K for a Subaru top of the line and 22-25K for a midlevel Toyota, Honda, Mazda, etc. It depends on what you want. Those base level cars will always outsell the niche Subaru. 30-35K is also guessed at MSRP for a top of the line model.
ateixeria - A fully loaded Passat is still priced higher than a comparable Subaru. Knock on wood, but I don't think the Legacy will suffer the Passats reliability woes.
Although Subaru is not quite a "Premium" or "Prestige" brand, most people that shop Subaru are cross shopping with the premium Euro/Japanese brands, not Kia's or Hyundais or Chevy's or Ford cars. Subaru realized this and thus the push for the upgraded interior and features. Im not saying the new Legacy won't be a tough sell at the higher price, but the upgrades might be worth the premium.
Mar 04, 2004 (10:11 am)
Pricing, see my post over in future models, the information there is what I got from the sales manager at my dealership this morning.
Mar 04, 2004 (10:48 am)
Legacy GT will be quicker but the TSX is lighter. The wheelbases are nearly identical. The TSX and the Mazda6 will be close competitors.