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#774 of 10838 Something for nothing
Mar 03, 2004 (9:23 am)
Why does it seem that most on the Subaru boards think every new Subaru should be cheap in price. I am not saying I want them to be expensive, but 30-35K is pretty average for a nice sports sedan/wagon. Once the price touches 30K on a Subaru you read people say "Oh if it's over 28K I am gonna look for something else, Audi, BMW, Volvo." Go ahead. I must be crazy but it seems that everyone can find a comparable AWD performer for cheaper. Yes my 99 Legacy GT Wagon 25K fully optioned was expensive for a 4 banger in 99. But the interior was decent and there wasn't one equal performer for cheaper or even close in price even until 2001. By performance I don't mean speed but I mean handling and driving experience. Hell if I had gone a tuning route I could've added a turbo and I would also include speed.
Now we have the new upgraded Turbo Legacy and many think it should come in below 30K. This car is gonna go straight up against the Audi A4/S4/A6, BMW 330, Infinit G35, Jag X-Type, Volvo whatever, and Saab. Show it some respect price wise. 30-33K+ is very resonable for a fully optioned Subaru Legacy GT
Mar 03, 2004 (11:31 am)
I think for those prices, it will get respect as a wagon but not as a sedan. However, I think those looking for a sedan will look elsewhere for that kind of money and possibly question the "need" for awd on a sedan. Reality is that subaru does not have the "prestige" factor that most buyers assume they will be getting when they pay more than $30k for a car.
Mar 03, 2004 (11:31 am)
I'll offer one answer: because size matters.
Look at wheelbases, even the new Legacy has about a 105" wheelbase. It's definitely among the smallest in the mid-size class, boderline "big compact".
So that means it has to compete with the TSX, not the TL. The A4, not the A6.
So even if Subaru moves upscale, there is a limit as to what people will pay for a smallish mid-size sedan/wagon from a non-luxury brand. Top that off with some premium features not being availble (no Navi, no HIDs), and $30k+ is a tough sell.
Price it like the TSX, not the TL.
#777 of 10838 redkey1 & ateixeira
Mar 03, 2004 (12:42 pm)
redkey1 - I agree somewhat as there are many great options for a sport sedan. But again all the true hot cars are over 30K when optioned out. If the interior and new styling features of the Legacy are what they are reported to be then it should have the same luxury feel and prestige. 250HP and the Legacy chassis / driving dynamics make it a fantastic ride. Now that the Legacy has a worthy motor, I'm pretty confident the upcoming mag comparos will bear this out.
ateixeira - You're right size matters. The Legacy is smallish, but I think even the 2004 Legacy compares even up to the current A6 on interior volume. It is a narrow car, yet in terms of legroom & headroom somewhat, it matches up pretty well. It is surely smaller than a Maxima a bit smaller than the A6; same as the A4, TSX, TL, X-Type; surprisingly larger than the G35? and S60. Keep in mind that is the 2004 version, the 2005 is supposedly larger inside. Lack of Nav and Xenon is a loss, but I think the Legacy gets ONSTAR which is a nice bonus. If the interior is nicer on this model I feel the prestige will come, cause the performance is gonna be there. The price should reflect this.
#778 of 10838 buddhabman
Mar 03, 2004 (12:46 pm)
"It is surely smaller than a Maxima a bit smaller than the A6; same as the A4, TSX, TL, X-Type; surprisingly larger than the G35? and S60."
I haven't looked at any specs but I would be surprised if it was smaller than a Maxima and surprisingly larger than a G35 since they are the same platform. Is there really a difference is size?
Mar 03, 2004 (12:55 pm)
I don'tr have exact specs but I took the info from Edmunds vehicle comparison. Note, same chassis doesn't always mean same interior size.
Mar 03, 2004 (1:04 pm)
You can get a TSX w/ Xenons for $25,500.....I don't think that $5k is value enough for AWD and the addition of a turbo.
Mar 03, 2004 (2:54 pm)
A TL w/Nav can be had for $35K, and have heard of people getting TLs w/o Nav for under $32K.
If the Legacy GT, fully optioned is about the same price as a TL, it is going to be a hard sell. The Legacy may have better driving dynamics, but the TL will kill it in luxury, amenities, size, components, and prestige.
Agree with Juice on this one.
#782 of 10838 Legacy 3.0R Spec B
Mar 03, 2004 (2:55 pm)
Not sure if somebody has already posted this or not, but Subaru just pulled the wrapper off of a concept Legacy at the Geneva auto show. This particular model is called the 3.0R Spec B and uses the STI's six speed transmission mated to the flat six engine. Dreams do come true! If only they'll put this into production and sell it in North America. I'd buy it in a heart beat.
Here is the link for some info:
Here is the link for some photos:
The Spec B photo is down the page. Autoweek has several good pics. Nice wheels.
#783 of 10838 $30-35K Subaru?
Mar 03, 2004 (6:56 pm)
I'm hoping the Legacy GT sedan comes in no more than $28K. I love Subarus, but let's face it, how many people will be willing to spend $30-35K on a Subaru when they can get a 325, G35, C240, S60, X-Type, A4 or TL for the same price. Although it can run with the best, I don't think Subaru will be able to pull off being known as a luxury car.