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#6602 of 10838 Re: Purchased New Outback- Having 2nd thoughts. [sweet_subie]
Feb 26, 2005 (3:07 pm)
I will complain to SOA if they can't get the door fixed this coming week. You are most likely correct about the dealer being a big part of the issue and we do have another close to our home that I will try for future service. Still I think the product could use some improvment in content considering it's near luxury price.
As for the Murano, I purchased my 2004 SL AWD with the premium package that including Leather, Bose and Xneon for $31,300 and I paid $30,300 for the Outback XT premium automatic. I think the extra $1K on the Murano was well spent considering it has way more features.
As for the other post regarding the VW Passat, you all are right, VW has a bad reputation and that is why I didn't even test drive the 2005 Passat when I was shopping for a replacement wagon. I even told the sales girl at our local Mega lot that had the Saab, Subarus and VWs that I would consider one because I don't want a car that is in the shop more the on the road. But here I am running back and forth with the Subaru. I think the pictures of the 2006 Passat in this months car magazines had me foaming at the mouth from a design perspective.
#6603 of 10838 Re: Purchased New Outback- Having 2nd thoughts. [antrow]
Feb 26, 2005 (3:12 pm)
Sorry to hear that you are unhappy with your new purchase. A couple things to consider...
1. If you find the XT Turbo to jerky, you may prefer the H6 model. As fun as I found the XT to drive, I decided on the H6 because I felt it was a more comfortable driving car.
2. Satellite Radio. I have been a XM user now for nearly 4-years (I participated in the San Diego test market in 2001). I had a reputable auto audio installer put it in my 2005 Outback. If it is professionally installed, it works and looks as good as a factory product. Cost has really come down too. My new gear cost about $150 and $100 for installation, much less than in 2001.
3. Gas mileage. A couple things to consider when comparing the gas mileage of your Outback to the Murano. My last car was a Honda Pilot, which has a similar AWD system as the Murano. The Murano is not full time AWD, it is part time. The good news is that this results in car-like MPG when the road are dry. The problem comes when the car senses slip and shifts in and out of AWD. I found this with the Pilot to result in poor performance, which is why after 2 years I made a change. My MPG on the Pilot was actually as good if not better than the Outback. However, in poor driving conditions, the MPG was terrible. This "part-time" sensing AWD system is a great compromise if you do not do a lot of poor weather driving. I found it to be unacceptable and unpredictable. So if MPG is your main concern, you may prefer a FWD with part-time AWD. I have a 2005 Outback VDC. I average 22-25 on the highway (with a Thule box)and 23-27 (without the box) and 18-20 around town. I also find that when my speed hits 75MPH and above, my mileage drops off real fast.
Give your Subaru a chance, you may end up liking it better than you think. If these other things are more important to you, get something you like.
Feb 26, 2005 (3:12 pm)
I'm at 21,000 with my VDC wagon. Frankly, mileage isn't great - maybe 19, mostly highway, cold weather. And, that's the problem! Almost always on the highway and I can't seem to drive below 80! When I was breaking it in, I was occasionally able to keep it around 70 for somewhat longer stretches. In these instances, I was able to get up to 23-24 mpg.
So, in answer to the query: don't really feel that my mileage improved after 'break-in'. Then again, my driving habits don't lend themselves to a useful case study.
BTW, agree on the heightened confidence driving with the VDC. Thought my wife's '03 Forester was outstanding in snow/on snow-covered roads. Methinks the VDC is superior.
#6605 of 10838 Re: Purchased New Outback- Having 2nd thoughts. [sduford]
Feb 26, 2005 (3:12 pm)
Maybe I just need to get used to having to find the key fob when I need to open the hatch to let someone load stuff in back. You have to unlock both the drivers door and the passengers door to get the hatch to unlock. Generally speaking I just press the unlock once when I am driving alone.
#6606 of 10838 Re: 2005 Legacy 2.5i Sedan 4EAT Quality/Reliability Issues [xsubaruonr]
Feb 26, 2005 (3:17 pm)
I had a friend rented a 2005 Outback for a trip and had the same smell issue. She ended up taking the car back and getting a Forester. Maybe that is the reason our local dealers already have so many used 2005 Outbacks with low miles on the lot.
I hope my Outback does not develop that issue !!!
#6607 of 10838 Re: Purchased New Outback- Having 2nd thoughts. [antrow]
Feb 26, 2005 (3:30 pm)
Just hit the unlock button in the driver's door and that will unlock ALL doors, including the rear hatch.
#6608 of 10838 Re: Purchased New Outback- Having 2nd thoughts. [ssminton]
Feb 26, 2005 (3:37 pm)
Thanks for the feedback.
I wouldn't consider trading the XT for another Outback model but I do wonder if I should have gotten the L.L. Bean V6 instead of the XT. I got the XT because it had a 250 HP 4 cyl like the Saab it will replace. The Saab is wonderfully smooth and fast and gets about 6-9 miles better mpg. So far I have not gotten more the 19 MPG in the Subaru.
I tried to use my XM Roady with a FM transmitter in the Subaru but the sound quality was poor. I found the same to be true in the Saab using the FM transmitter but since the Saab had a cassett player I was able to use that adaptor and the sound was 100% better. If I keep the XT I will look into having the XM connected to the stereo. The dealer was not certain that it had an input availabe and revcommended the FM transmitter as their solution.
The Murano has been used it all this winter and we have found it to be fantasic in the snow. I have no complaints about the Murano or the service we have received at Nissan. I have recommended them to serveral friends.
Anyway, I will not complain about the Subaru for a while and see if it grows on me. I am trying my best to to keep cars for at least 3 years before considering getting a new one.
#6609 of 10838 Re: Purchased New Outback- Having 2nd thoughts. [sduford]
Feb 26, 2005 (3:43 pm)
I will try to remember to do that. I have to retrain myself with the placement of all the controls. Hate to sound like an idiot but my Saab had all the controls on the console between the seats. Now when I go to unlock the doors or lower the windows I am searching around the car like a fruitloop. Once I turn the Saab in and just drive the Subaru I am sure this issue will resolve itself.
#6610 of 10838 Re: Purchased New Outback- Having 2nd thoughts. [antrow]
Feb 26, 2005 (7:56 pm)
OB XT can be bought for 28-29k now.
#6611 of 10838 Re: Purchased New Outback- Having 2nd thoughts. [antrow]
Feb 26, 2005 (9:57 pm)
Sorry about your experience. But I think you will find your experience is the exception rather than the rule. It sounds like you have a problem with your dealer, not your car. You can't blame your car for a lame service department.
As someone who had a Passat wagon, it's no joy ride (ownership wise) and I will never buy another VW product again.
It sounds like you have buyers regret, but maybe you didn't buy the car you really wanted? It sounds like you would rather have bought another Murano. They really are two different animals. The XT will run circles around the Murano, dry, wet, or snow!
Yes it's lacking some amenities, but you can add an external mp3 source, satellite radio, and just so you know the Passat wagon doesn't have a rear hatch release button either! (just unlock the doors!) The steering wheel audio controls are available on the H6 models, which might be a little smoother than the turbo (but less fun!)
The transmission should adapt to your driving style over time- and most people who own the 5EAT would actually say it's quite smooth. Your mileage will improve some as the engine breaks in- figure 8-10k miles. (But again, it's a performance engine, so don't expect it to get hybrid mileage)
Anyway, sorry again you are unhappy with your ownership experience. I personally love my car- and as someone who has owned a lot of cars- I cannot say this about many of my purchases.
Good luck with your repairs. Maybe it's just a rough start that will improve over time!