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#61 of 10758 H6 Outback by otis123 Aug 08, 2003 (8:59 am)
Doesn't the Outback look much better with a dark bottom. Subaru, make all the Outback colors available in monotone!!   http://www.subaru.de/Seiten/Showroom/Legacy/FLegOut.htm (Subaru Germany H6 model)     Ralph
#62 of 10758 RE: Automobile review by nematode Aug 08, 2003 (9:49 am)
I just dont understand why Subaru is sticking the H6 into the GT. If they really want 3 engine configurations for the Legacy they can go 2.5H4 "base", 2.5H4t 225hp "L", and 2.5H4T 300hp "GT". They can even use the same basic transmissions they already have (autos, 5spd, and 6spd). I'm not sure why they just dont keep the H6 as an OB only motor and tune it for more low end grunt. That would be a nice way to really set the OB apart and keep that turo performance image for the Legacy. OB = smooth low end grunt. Legacy = screaming turbo power.   Additional thoughts: 1) Are they going to offer a manual with the H6 in the GT? If they go with the H6 in the GT, which I dont think they should do, and they dont offer a manual it will be a huge mistake. 2) Is the new H6 really going to be 3.5L and 250hp? I really dont like the current H6 3.0 and my feeling is that the 2.5t 225hp outperforms it quite readily is most aspects. I hope the H6 3.5 is better.
#63 of 10758 by ateixeira Aug 08, 2003 (11:09 am)
Nice der Outback!   nematode: I agree. The H6 should be Outback exclusive, maybe even its only engine.   The Legacy line should have the 2.5l and 2.5T. The STi can get a blown H6, that's so low volume anyway.   -juice
#64 of 10758 Six-cyl by markjenn Aug 08, 2003 (11:34 am)
All of Subaru's primary compeition for the higher end Legacy wagons will have six-cylinder options (Passat, A4, Mazda 6, 325iT, etc.). To not have a six-cyl motor in this segment would be be fatal.   - Mark
#65 of 10758 H6 by ateixeira Aug 08, 2003 (12:02 pm)
I tend to disagree.   The A4 1.8T is a 4 cylinder, and has been successful.   Passat also has a 1.8T. Even then, it's softer than the A4 so the Outback could compete with V6 Passats.   Subaru has 2 models, so the Legacy can take a sporty bent while the Outback goes towards luxury. Outback has traditionally handled the volume for Subaru, they thrived without a 6 cylinder for 6 years or so.   Let the Outback continue to go after that volume, and the GT can become a speciality performance car.   Other examples - the Acura TSX, the next Volvo V40 and V70 (5 cylinder), Mercedes C230, Saab 9-3, etc.   If the Legacy GT can perform anything like the Forester XT, which is basically a Giant Killer, it'll be successful *and* attract a different buyer than the traditional Outback/H6 buyer.   -juice
#66 of 10758 Automobile writeup by rsholland Aug 08, 2003 (12:03 pm)
I don't think they have their info correct on the engines. My guess is that the H-6 will remain an Outback exclusive.   Bob
#67 of 10758 by ateixeira Aug 08, 2003 (1:12 pm)
The basis of my argument is that there should be as little overlap as possible from the Legacy to the Outback.   Think about it. The Impreza is a shortened Legacy, at least it was originally. Forester is a lifted Impreza. Baja is a Legacy Crew Cab. So basically Subaru sells one chassis architecture in this country!   They have to differentiate the models more, a lot more. I think the Outback and H6 images mesh together perfectly, it should even be standard.   The WRX succeeded. The Forester XT helped Subaru break a record for sales last month. Both have turbos with a 5 speed available.   The Outback has always thrived, but the GT was like the secret noone knew about. The "fatal" comment is funny because, how many do they sell now? Hardly any, it's not like a turbo is going to hurt sales. Impreza sales are way up. The H6 did not help Outback sales, they actually went down.   It seems counter-intuitive, but it's fact. Subaru is a niche manufacturer, so they're not expected to compete with the mainstream.   -juice
#68 of 10758 I think that by sebberry Aug 09, 2003 (2:27 pm)
The Outback should be offered:   H6 4AT H6 5MT   H6T 4AT H6T 5MT   VTD standard on all models with VDC an option.   Say, how about a turbo charger that can be turned on and off. It would be great for snow and ice driving not to have a turbocharger kick in... just a thought
#69 of 10758 4AT? by rsholland Aug 09, 2003 (3:12 pm)
Why? They (Subaru) has just introduced an all-new 5AT.   Bob
#70 of 10758 Subaru 3.0R by smo615 Aug 11, 2003 (5:22 am)
There is a new press release on Subaru's Global site concerning the 2005 Legacy to be at the Frankfurt Auto show in Sept. They list the 3.0 engine at 245hp if I am reading it right. Both the Legacy and the Outback will come with the new 3.0 engine called the 3.0R.   I wonder how the 3.0R will compare with the 2.5 turbo to be released later. I have read 250 hp which would be strange if the 3.0R is 245hp. But maybe each engine will have different characteristics. Automobile Mag. says the the new Legacy will be out next spring, and the turbo release will be later.

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