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#383 of 10838 Curtain bags
Dec 05, 2003 (11:42 am)
It would be a grave mistake for Subaru not to put curtain bags in every 2005 Legacy/Outback trim level - and socially irresponsible.
Two nights ago in my town a 16 yr. old girl, driving too fast, smashed into a large oak sideways - right into the driver's door. Wrapped the car right around the tree - penetration into the cabin looked like it was close to 2 feet in. Emergency crews were shocked she was alive. Minor injuries. 2002 Jetta with curtain and side air bags. Saved her life. For a few hundred $$$...
BTW, my 2001 LLBean has the red light on the door.
Dec 05, 2003 (11:48 am)
Wow, that is a very rare scenario. How did she get sideways?
That almost would argue for standard stability control, more likely to help in that type of situation.
Side AB are usually for impacts from other vehicles that run a light.
Dec 05, 2003 (12:01 pm)
yeah I can see side air bags standard for every model, but curtain air bags as optional or standard only on lux models.
The bottom line is whatever the safety/collision avoidance systems on vehicles, there are those who are pent on driving irresponsibly. For those folks, the best thing is to let someone else drive.
Dec 05, 2003 (12:04 pm)
Light, misty rain, going around a corner too fast, just slid sideways right into the tree.
yeah, but at 16 you don't know better, so it's good to have a system there to give you another chance...
Dec 05, 2003 (1:15 pm)
the debate is hackneyed...I think everything that could be said already has been.
I personally drive a car without side air bags and I feel safe enough. And I am currently looking for a little beater miata to take to work. Those who are safety OC can go buy from a manufacturer like Volvo--40K wagon. you can always go one step further, but cars have to be economical. I don't want to pay for the worried mind of a minority.
Dec 05, 2003 (4:58 pm)
And some day you might make that statement from the cemetery. Your heirs will appreciate the $300 or so you saved...
Dec 06, 2003 (12:45 pm)
Hey, you can't take it with you right?
I think everyone understands that there has to be a stopping point somewhere in making every possible safety feature standard--and economical.
I never said cut out front side and curtain air bags, just leave them optional, for those of us who feel safe enough with regular front air bags.
Some people will abuse the safety features and drive even more recklessly because their rationale is: Hey I've got AWD and VDC and 3 kinds of air bags--I can drive as fast and crazy as I want and avoid injury.
Point being--My grandpa used to drive in MN with bald tires--no treads. He never got stuck in the snow and would pass those off the road going too fast with snow tires. Yes, increase the standard safety equip but don't go overboard with it. I think more change needs to happen with people's driving habits than filling the car with unlimited air bags etc etc.
For instance, does everyone want to pay extra for a Blaupunkt stereo system in a car? NO, In the same way, I shouldn't have to pay for Side air bags or curtain air bags if I don't want to, and if it isn't required by law.
Just give everyone a choice.
#390 of 10838 re: Illuminated ignition rings etcetera
Dec 07, 2003 (2:57 pm)
"Open wagon hatch interior drop down center red light." This is not a light but a reflector with 24 red reflective dots. The drop down part is actually a screen which mates with the cargo cover blind so that the cargo area is completely covered and the cargo blind itself has a straight edge and does not have to be curved to match with the curve of the wagon door.
"Front door, cloth side, lower outer corner red lights." Yes this light is on our doors.
"And some day you might make that statement from the cemetery. Your heirs will appreciate the $300 or so you saved..."
What you say is true except that, unfortunately, to get side and curtain air bags in the premium H6 over the standard spec H6 you have to spend AU$7500 (US$5500) to get that spec level, not $300. You cannot option only the side/curtain air bags.
Dec 07, 2003 (3:45 pm)
Eeek. Shades of what Mazda NA does in the USA.
Dec 08, 2003 (9:49 am)
Give 'em a year or two, it'll trickle down.