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My wife just bought a TSX, and it is a real nice car. I'm about to pull the trigger on a GT wagon or Outback XT, and the one thing I can say is that the turbo Subarus offer a more exciting driving experience than the TSX (and are about as refined). In this company, I don't think the base Legacy 2.5i models compare well because of less power, but they are good cars in their own right. Once you test drive a TSX, do yourself a favor and drive a Legacy GT sedan. It will give you a good contrast between a great sports sedan (TSX) and an exhilirating one (GT). BTW, we paid $24800 for my wife's TSX (auto without Nav). Sticker was $27035. Craig |
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Now that the car has been out a couple months, I'm trying to get definitive answers to the most troubling problmes on this car...plus a couple other odds and ends. 1. The rain gutter issue...what is the concensus? Is it problematic to every '05 Legacy? I have sat in one a couple times, during nice weather..so I have no reference point except from posters. Solutions? Someone said to wait a couple seconds before exiting the vehicle to avoid a 1/2 cup of water spill. I'd like to know if this is where we are at on this. 2. The arm rest extension...anybody here have the extension? Is it a permanent fixture or is it interchangeable? I read that you push a button and it moves up and out. That sounds electronic..news to me. Anyone have the real scoop on this and if the extension takes away from the aesthetics or is overly bulky. Pictures?? 3. Anybody have an email contact for Subaru America where we (collectively) can voice a little outrage over the important issues that have been raised that many feel can be 'deal killers'. Example, no rain gutter, no foot room in rear due to low front seats, poor/limited choice of interior/exterior color scheme. Example: No taupe/wood with silver exterior. Perhaps the reversal of window switch so down goes down instead of up, etc. I'm sure we all agree Subaru cares about feedback. They probably peruse these threads as well. We all agree that auto manufacturers make changes during the process to appease public opinion or other problems. Why don't we take the important issues (subjective to some extent) and try to get the point to Subaru 'early' and see if we can get a response. I, personally, don't need to buy this car for many months (unlike many who are making there purchases already). Matters such as getting drenched when it rains and other non-subjectively crucial items are potential deal killers to me. Someone said it in a post long ago: Why, with all the great upscale aesthetic and performance changes did Subaru forget about 'Customer comfort'? They asked: "Subaru, are you listening?". That sums it up quite nicely. Let's be pro-active here, and take the very few important oversights to the folks that can make it right. If they get the information (complaints) en masse and timely..they can then take steps to fix this during the current manufacturing process. Simply, let's not just complain amongst ourselves but put it to productive use and forward it to the folks that need...and probably 'want' to know... Subaru. Some of the severe criticisms (deal killers) can be addressed in a serious fashion by Subaru...and I believe this forum, if it wants to, can bring about change...for the '05 cars. Obviously, the emphasis needs to be on critical comfort features...not simple personal taste. But I've said enough to see if the interest is here to make an impact... We can start by compiling a list of the features, or omitted features, that are deterring a purchase.
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1. Fold down seats in sedan 2. VDC available for all trims (including manual transmission) 3. HID option Krzys PS I do not like black interior, what about grey ?
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Replying to: kmartin (Jul 17, 2004 9:51 am)
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First, I apologize in advance to anyone who thinks I'm bashing their purchase or choice of options - not the case...just trying to get a concensus of opinion and get that opinion to Subaru in the hopes of change. Another item I forgot to mention a couple posts ago would be the non-leather seat options. Both my GF and I immediately found the cloth seats to be unlike anything we've seen recently - and I mean this in a bad way. We couldn't find the right word to describe them, although 'canvas' came up. The (perforated) leather is quite nice. Great. But what are your options if you don't want leather? Instead of offering nicely textured non-leather or faux leather, suede...whatever...they only offer you these, IMO, terribly textured cloth seats. I think those cloth seats are a terrible mismatch to the wonderfully upscale interior. Simply, it appears that the options in seating are extreme - luxurious or sub-par. My opinion only, but appreciate input from others. I admit I haven't seen the non-perforated leather, but,in the GT's I believe it's leather or textured tent material only. Anyhoo, has anyone been in the latest Jeep Wrangler ...even their cloth seats are cozy. Finally, if anyone has the Taupe Leather (which is the only way to get that appealing faux wood trim) I'd like to know how you are making out with it showing dirt, fingerprints, etc., and how keeping it clean is coming along. Local dealer had one on the lot that had rather thick blAck smudges above the driver door and elsewhere. I inquired and was told it was from an uncareful trucker (from Subaru). I asked if it cleaned easy; of course the answer was 'yes'. But I had to wonder why the car was put on the lot with a smudge like that in place. Either it was unremovable or the dealership doesn't have it's act together (more likely).
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It seems that the more upscale, and therefore more expensive, the model is, the fewer color choices you have. Take, for example, the top of the line Outback VDC. No matter what exterior colors you choose, you are stuck with taupe leather interior. On the other hand, the less expensive Outback 2.5i Limited has a CHOICE of taupe or gray leather. How SOA rationalized this boggles the mind! Snowbird |
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Replying to: bolbo (Jul 18, 2004 4:27 am) I can't answer the rain gutter question. I think only owners will be able to address that. As to the armrest extension option, it's mechanical and not electrical. I've seen and experienced it on new Legacys and Outbacks at auto shows, but have yet to see it on any cars on dealer lots. BTW, I think this feature should be standard on every new Legacy and Outback. Here on Edmunds in the Subaru forums, we are very fortunate to have a member of Subaru of America (SOA) as a regular participant. Her name is Patti, and her screen name is "Subaru Team." She is great with customer issues (that's her specialty at SOA) and she also regularly passes on suggestions that we have for future models on to SOA's Product Planning department. As for ideas and suggestion for future Subies, there is a thread here called "Subaru Crew: Suggestions for Subaru" that Patti—and perhaps others (?) from SOA, monitor. I would direct all your suggestions to that thread as it makes Patti's job easier. If you post suggestions elsewhere, she may not see them. Bob |
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Replying to: buzzct (Jul 18, 2004 3:57 am) -KarenM- http://members.cox.net/kamartin/2005outbackreviews.html |
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Yes, it IS annoying! I've asked this question a number of times, and have had no answers. If you connect the seat belt once and then disconnect it, at least the chiming stops...the light on the dash will continue to illuminate, though. -KarenM- http://members.cox.net/kamartin/2005outbackreviews.html
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