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#1451 of 10838 Re: Saw 2005 OB and Legacy [nowakj66 #1446]
May 16, 2004 (11:06 pm)
I was wondering if you found the 2005 OBs you looked at had more headroom than the 2004s. I drive a 2004 Forester and found it's the only Subaru I could fit in with a moonroof. IMHO anyone taller than six feet isn't going to be comfortable in the previous generation OBs with moonroof. I was hoping third generation OB would finally give us six footers a break. Did you compare 2004s with the 2005 OB?
Waiting for my dealer's 2005 to see for myself but if if you'd been there and done that I'd be grateful for a reply.
#1452 of 10838 2005 OBs and VDC [re:ace1000 #1440]
May 17, 2004 (12:19 am)
I'm with you on the VDC issue. I've driven VDC as well as other yaw controlled vehicles on ice and snow. There is no comparison to those without it. The only exceptions might be for elite drivers: skilled, attentive, very fast reflexes. And lucky. They will need luck to deal with what they can't see, such as the black-ice I test-drove my first OB VDC (very big and empty parking lot). I could not "lose control" as I did one emergency manuever after another. Could not spin-out on the Fish Hook and Double Lane Change manuevers, two common tests that can measure the risk of two vehicle and single vehicle collision.
I'm disappointed in Subaru for offering VDC only on top trim OBs. It's a policy that's as indefensible as offering side air bags only on luxury trim lines and let the rest of their customers risk head-injury and death if they get T-boned or rollover. Why should they have to buy moonroofs, leather seats, premium sound systems to buy what is rapidly becoming routine safety equipment?
I have owned the first and now own a second generation Forester but I will migrate to other automakers if I find a comparable vehicle that offers electronic stability control.
PS: Those who think AWD is enough understand neither AWD or Electronic Stability Control (all you elite drivers out there excepted:-)
#1453 of 10838 2005 gt turbo sedan
May 17, 2004 (3:46 am)
i'm fortunate to have a cousin who owns a subaru dealership, so this evening i'll be ordering a 2005 legacy gt limited turbo sedan, by phone, atlantic blue pearl.
from what he tells me about it ,it's quite a step up, o-60 in 5.9 seconds. i'll be trading in my 2000 gt limited sedan, wit 77000 completely trouble free miles.
i post the deatils of the deal when i have the info.
#1454 of 10838 Re: Saw 2005 OB and Legacy [iluvsubaru2 #1451]
May 17, 2004 (3:58 am)
Jake - the headroom was better BUT I sat in a base outback without moon roof. I will have to try a direct comparison for you.
In the legroom department, I would have to say the Forester is still king, though these new OBs are roomier.
I have heard it said that manual seats provide a grater range of adjustment than powered ones. There were no Limiteds on hand to test this out, but it has me thinking that a cloth seated GT non-limited, or XT non-limited might be the way to go for tall folks.
#1455 of 10838 Re: 2005 OBs and VDC [iluvsubaru2 #1452]
May 17, 2004 (5:50 am)
You are right on! As one who has been bemoaning the fact that Subaru decided to nickel and dime VDC--on a $25K-$28K car I a am glad to see that even Edmunds said that SOA should have included Stability Control in their cars (at least made it an option)...other publications are following suit with the same lament. Reviews are very positive overall--good to see that. Disappointed about the MPG though. I agree with you that those who think AWD is enough.....don't know better....
#1456 of 10838 Front tilts up...
May 17, 2004 (6:08 am)
I drove the Outback last Saturday - a base model. (See my other post.) But I did sit in an Outback Limited with the sunroof. The salesman told me that the front portion of the sunroof tilts up. I didn't try it though.
#1457 of 10838 Re: Front tilts up... [bookemdano #1456]
May 17, 2004 (6:35 am)
The salesman told me that the front portion of the sunroof tilts up. I didn't try it though.
The switch for the roof only seemed to have two postions - it wasn't marked so I presumed open/close only. I know the front part tilted up when the back was open but most have a tilt feature so the back tilts open for ventilation in hot parking lots.
#1458 of 10838 I'm speculating here, but...
May 17, 2004 (7:13 am)
It would seem logical for the switch to tilt up the front portion first, followed by the sliding portion. Has anybody tried this?
May 17, 2004 (7:44 am)
Add one more person wishing Subaru provided stability control across all the models.
Stability control is important enough for me that I'm now seriously considering the competitors that do have stability control standard or as an option (1.8T A4/Passat most likely). The XT/GT sounds like it would have won hands down with stability control, but without??? Just waiting for the GT/XT's to come in so I can do a one day test drive marathon and make some decisions.
#1460 of 10838 Re: [salbaby1972 #1441] - Legacy GT v. Outback XT
May 17, 2004 (11:10 am)
Am I alone in prefering the clean styling of the Legacy to the Outback? The lower ride height also equates to better cornering, an observation also made by the Edmunds testers here.
Ideally, I'd drive an Audi or BMW (minus the German reliability woes). Or a WRX with a little more cush and a little less rally inspired styling. Maybe the Outback appeals to someone who would drive a Volvo cross country (minus scandanavian reliability woes).
Audi, BMW, WRX, Volvo wagon are all nice cars, depending on mood. I am hoping Legacy GT will add a dallop of performance a la Forester XT or WRX to a well thought out family vehicle.