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#1428 of 10838 Thinking Of Buying A 2005 Legacy Wagon [A Bit Long]
May 14, 2004 (7:23 am)
I'm asking for a reality check on whether a 2005 2.GT Ltd Wagon with the 5A would be a good idea for us as our next daily driver. Let me describe our current situation:
1) Married, no kids and none on the way
2) Current daily driver is a 1999 Chrysler 300M, now with 85,000 miles. It was our only car when we bought it, so it served our sporting pretensions, but those are now served by a brace of Corvettes
3) The wife does most of the daily driving and really wants 4-wheel drive this time (we live in Pennsylvania). She also likes performance (the Chrysler has 253 bhp) and handling (it's got the Performance Handling Package, which has a fairly European feel)
4) We lug the usual homeowner stuff around in the 300M and use the fold-down seats a lot, so we eliminated the Legacy sedan from consideration when we found out that it didn't have a fold-down seat
5) I've gotton accustomed to the 'near-luxury' of the Chrysler, so, if we got the Legacy, we would buy it loaded
6) I realize that the Subaru is a fairly big change, which is why I'd really like to make the right decision - we'd love to have our next daily driver for 6 or 7 years.
What do you think? Any and all advice appreciated...
#1429 of 10838 Uh - J3Studio, you are talking about night and day.
May 14, 2004 (8:01 am)
In terms of performance, the Legacy GT will be far superior to the 300m. Even though both have similar power, the Legacy GT will be faster, with 0-60 times over 2 seconds faster than the 300m (0-60 in 7.8 secs). Also, the GT will be more nimble and a better handler (even the loaded wagon will be about 200 lbs. less than the 300M).
Ride quality should be good in the GT (per the Edmunds review).
Personally, I want to see what some of the car magazines say, as well as Consumer Reports before I decide, but it looks like the Legacy will be a serious contender in the mid-level sedan arena, if not a home run.
Article on the 2005 Legacy -
Info on the '99 300M - http://www.edmunds.com/used/1999/chrysler/300m/14123/specs.html?t- id=edmunds.u.prices.leftsidenav..6.Chrysler*
May 14, 2004 (8:13 am)
Goes to show the negative impact of the Outback (raised up, more "off-roadish" tires) on gas mileage. Just compare the EPA sticker on an '04 standard wagon vs. an outback to see what the relative difference you should expect is.
At least 25 is much better than you would get from an Exploder or other real SUV.
#1431 of 10838 Re: Thinking Of Buying A 2005 Legacy Wagon [A Bit Long] [j3studio #1428]
May 14, 2004 (8:17 am)
The Legacy should be just the ticket for you. To get comparable performance, features and AWD you would need to spend at least $10,000 more to move up to an Audi S4 or BMW 3 series wagon with AWD. Since I assume the Corvettes stay home on snow days, you might consider getting a second set of rims and keep one set shoed with true winter radials, e.g., Bridgestone Blizzaks for a go-anywhere vehicle for November through March and the second set with true performance tires for April through October.The Legacy GT suspension set-up, low CG and grippy low-profile tires will make you forget the "European" feel of a 300M before you get out of the first curve, even with the 5 speed SportShift Auto. Happy shopping!
#1432 of 10838 Re: Thinking Of Buying A 2005 Legacy Wagon
May 14, 2004 (11:54 am)
While I would heartily recommend the Legacy GT Wagon, I think you and your wife need to drive one to truly decide. It will be very different from a 300M, possibly too different. You may also want to check out an Outback XT or L.L.Bean depending on whether you ever intend to go offroad. And if the Legacy is too sporty, there's always a Passat Wagon with 4Motion. I know it's a VW (if you're worried about reliability), but Passats seem to be the best of VWs in reliability. It might even have fold-down seats in the sedan.
I'm fairly certain you'll love the Legacy GT, but never having driven a Subaru before I think you'll need to see it in person to see if it fits all your needs.
May 14, 2004 (12:17 pm)
This is one of the times I would recommend trying a Dodge Magnum or a Chrysler 300C for comparison with the 300M. Especially if you need room. Those two vehicles are HUGE!!
May 14, 2004 (1:29 pm)
Yes the magnum would be worth a look. The Legacy GT is sized between the Civic/Corolla and the Accord /Camry (92/96/102 cubic ft). The 300/Magnum and the old 300m are about 107 cubic ft. There would be quite a step down in size.
As mentioned the Passat is another nice choice, it is just a tad larger than the Subaru, but still smaller than the Accord/Camry. The TDI Passat would probably be more reliable than the gas version (which itself is average), and at EPA 27/38 is very tempting these days. It has as much torque as a Legacy GT.
To me the 4-cyl non turbo is the most attractive Legacy, but it is the slowest.
#1435 of 10838 Re: mjc440 [rob999 #1425]
May 14, 2004 (10:23 pm)
75mph is 20mph higher than the EPA. Try doing 55-60 for a trip and I bet you'll hit or exceed the EPA rating.
May 14, 2004 (10:25 pm)
Looking forward to test driving an AWD V8 in the fall, maybe I'll pickup a used one in 2 years when they come off lease and are dirt cheap.
#1437 of 10838 Finally decided on color
May 15, 2004 (2:53 am)
Went to the local dealer yesterday to look at a silver sedan. This is definately the color choice for me - the lights blend in very nicely and the lower part of the sides has just the right amount of emphasis. (and besides, I hardly ever wash my car and silver looks the least dirty). I am now waiting for them to get hold of a GT MT - will keep you posted