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May 10, 2004 (12:21 pm)
That's the one thing I agree with - Subaru truly does not sell a large car, even a roomy mid-size. Though the measuring tape says it's bigger, the 2005 did not feel any bigger than our 2002 Legacy.
However, note that sportier entries like the TSX and Mazda6 are also smallish. The Altima may be the only big/sporty model but it has its own set of drawbacks.
Accord and Camry are notably roomier, but they're just not sporty. That might hurt the base Legacy 2.5i, but not the GT. If you get a turbo, you want the full sporting package, me thinks.
The Outback XT will compare favorably with the Volvo XC70 and the Audi allroad quattro 2.7T, especially on price.
#1352 of 10838 Re: [qbrozen #1350]
May 10, 2004 (12:28 pm)
You mean it's not (the 2nd coming)?
I love aftermarket stuff, as you may know. Our 2002 Legacy has one single big moonroof. My 1998 Forester has too many aftermarket upgrades to list.
Even my 1993 Miata has a non-OE top (Robbins).
I'm of the opinion that the aftermarket can, in some circumstances, come up with even better than OE stuff. Garmin does GPS, I think the little Palm unit they sell is nifty. We got one as a departing gift for our Director and I was checking it out - very impressive. Voice commands and all for about $600, plus someone like me could use it in all 3 cars (go price that!).
<rant warning, skip this if you're sensitive>
But I don't need to ask anyone for directions, I mean, men that are men know where they are and never get lost, right? Isn't NAV like admitting you're lost all the time? Where's your ego? I mean, c'mon, we're SUPPOSED to get lost and pretend we're not. Gimme a compass and a paper map and I know exactly where I am.
#1353 of 10838 Well said, Rob. (n/m)
May 10, 2004 (12:37 pm)
#1354 of 10838 chrono and others
May 10, 2004 (1:09 pm)
Would probably rather go with the G35X or the S60R. More agile, better gas mileage, better handling.
I seriously doubt their more agile considering the weight numbers"
- I was comparing having to spend $35K+ on a 300C vs. competitors not the Legacy GT. These cars are more agile, get better gas mileage, and handle better than a 300C AWD.
the 300C is rated at 17/24 mpg in RWD format, and records 0.77gs on the skid pad (agressive stability control). Per Car and Driver.
I was just saying that the 300C AWD is no comparison to the Legacy GT due to weight/gas mileage/handling/agility/price. Acceleration will probably be similiar.
#1355 of 10838 Re: chrono and others [kevin111 #1354]
May 10, 2004 (1:58 pm)
My bad, I read into your post wrong. I completely agree with you about the 300C. The 300C does have monster torque. I wouldn't be surprised to see it take the GT for acceleration.
#1356 of 10838 Re: chrono and others [kevin111 #1354] by chrono
May 10, 2004 (2:02 pm)
I agree with that. The 300C does have a ton of torque! The Legacy GT uses a version of the STi engine that is also in the Forester XT. The Forester XT has clocked a 0-60 at 5.3 secs by Car and Driver. The 300C has as well by Car and Driver. This is why I was assuming the two cars would be close.
I think the difference is that the Legacy GT would need to do a clutch drop, while the 300C would not.
May 10, 2004 (2:44 pm)
Well, Edmunds will officially remove this vehicle from our future vehicles list on Wednesday. We'll be closing this discussion then, and you can continue in one of the many, many active discussions on the Legacy/Outback. As new Subaru models and redesigns are announced, I look forward to more conversation from you enthusiasts!
For the record, I think the wishlists are great. Consumer feedback is a wonderful way to find out what potential buyers are looking for.
#1358 of 10838 Okay - EPA info. - 2005 MY vehicles - the list is long
May 10, 2004 (3:30 pm)
so for starters -
Sedans and Wagons
Legacy - 2.5i - Manual - 23/30 - combined est. 25
Legacy - 2.5i Sportshift - 22/30 - comb. est. 25
2.5 GT MT5 - 19/25 - comb. estimate - 21
2.5 GT 5EAT Sportshift 19/25 - comb. est. - 21
Limited's the same.
2.5i Manual - 23/28 - combined est. 25
2.5i 4EAT Sportshift - 22/28 - comb. est. 25
3.0 Ltd. - VDC - 5EAT - 19/25 - comb. est. 22
I have more details if you want. Just say which and I'll post it - -
May 10, 2004 (3:35 pm)
Legacy - 2.5i Sedan Manual/Auto. 3200/3245
2.5i Ltd. Sedan 3265/3310
2.5 GT Sedan 3300/3365
" " "" Limited 3365/3435
Wagon: 2.5i 3255/3300
2.5i Ltd - 3335/3380
More if needed.
#1360 of 10838 re: fuel mileage
May 10, 2004 (3:37 pm)
17MPG in the city on premium may be kind of pricey in the long run. Also keep in mind in 2006 the sulphur in fuel will be lowered, so expect the cost of that to be passed on to the consumer. What fuel prices will be at that point though is anyone's guess.
The good news is this may open the door for more diesels once the sulphur is lowered. The European Accord (TSX) with diesel is rated 35mpg in the city and 53mpg on the highway, with a combined driving rating of 45mpg. This is in US MPG figures. Diesels aren't for everyone, the horsepower is only 138 at 4,000rpm but typical with diesels has a massive 245 foot pounds at 2000rpm.
Obviously a smaller diesel engine and/or smaller car should pull even better numbers. On top of that the Accord diesel STARTS at a weight of 3247 pounds. Higher trims and wagons weigh even more. Impressive numbers for such a heavy car.
I would assume if an AWD 300C was made it would probably have a gas guzzler tax on it.