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Subaru, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Sedan, Wagon
Your Community Leaders are ateixeira and rsholland.
#130 of 10838 Re: there's no excuse
Aug 29, 2003 (1:47 pm)
I'm not just talking about me, so there's no need to try to convince me, get on a personal crusade, give me lectures or anything. In my 12-year driving history I've never had a single accident, thank God, and I fully realize the low probability of me ever needing side airbags. But... since it only cost me $220 to get them for my long-gone Corolla in '98, most of other cars cheaper than Subaru already have them, I don't plan do downgrade and put my family at risk. Knowing that they cost very little to put in (they are already available on GT, OB, and Legacies in Europe), it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth that I would have to compromise my safety because of some ss at Subaru who decided that I have to pay a few thousand dollars more to get such a basic feature that all my recent cars have had (with the exception of the 2002 Trooper but I can forgive it). All I'm saying is that *perceptually* it puts Subaru brand in the likes of Kia, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi (Diamante does not have them either (!!!) and I wonder why they can't unload this, otherwise cool car, at 18K), basically crappy cars and always one step back. If no one thought like me, the sales would be soaring (especially at current prices) and they aren't...
#131 of 10838 cracovian
Aug 29, 2003 (3:03 pm)
Why do you excuse the 2002 Trooper for not having side airbags? Is it because the Toyota Highlander, the Chevrolet Tahoe, the Ford Explorer, and the Mercedes Benz ML320 have side airbags or is it because you just like SUVs that don't have side airbags but you wouldn't buy a car (Sedan or Coupe) without side airbags.
#132 of 10838 Cracovian, no excuse? We'll see.
Aug 29, 2003 (3:53 pm)
Be assured, I am not on any personal crusade against airbags. And I do think you have a valid concern with family safety. Furthermore, I think we may see a day when helmets are required--after all, they're good enough for motorcyclists, bicyclists and race-car drivers. You have to wonder why it is taking so long with passenger cars.
Perhaps the simple answer is inconvenience. Or maybe it has something to do with the slow pace at which human intelligence evolves.
Regardless, are YOU up to it? Will you risk looking lame at this point in time to further insure your family's safety? Having heard your rationale, I expect only one answer from you, and the next time I check this forum I am expecting to read that you have plans to equip your loved ones with helmets for riding in the car. It really is a simple issue when you think about it.
No excuses now.
#133 of 10838 Crash Helmets
Aug 29, 2003 (5:38 pm)
Designman - You're right about wearing crash helmets. Another advantage is the number of drivers who take a look at me and then give me plenty of space. However, I'm really tired of being pulled over and taking road-side sobriety tests!
#134 of 10838 Outback
Aug 30, 2003 (4:38 am)
The Outback could spawn an extended model with a third seat. Should compete with the Pacifca and the Ford Freestyle, I guess.
Aug 30, 2003 (5:39 am)
their 7-passenger crossover is just around the corner.
#136 of 10838 rsholland
Aug 31, 2003 (3:48 pm)
Subaru us bringing a 7-seat crossover? Any info?
Aug 31, 2003 (4:43 pm)
Should be announced sometime within the next year or so. I'm betting we see it at the 2004 Detroit show.
It will be larger than the Legacy, possibly powered by a 3.6 H-6, but that still a rumor at this point.
This vehicle has been in the works for some time. Originally it was to be a joint-effort between GM and Subaru, but a over a year ago, Subaru decided to go it alone.
The following is from an Edmunds CHAT with Mike Whelan of Subaru of America, in which I asked Mike a specific question in reference to that vehicle:
<rsholland>: Now that the GM/Subaru SUW is dead, will Subaru plan on offering a 3-row-seat (Honda) Pilot-like vehicle on their own?
<mike_whelan>: Bob, Subaru still plans to offer a third row 7 passenger vehicle but will do so solely on its own and rest assured, it will be a crossover type of vehicle.
I think you can find the full CHAT transcript here at Edmunds.
Also, if you go to Google and do a search for: "Subaru 7-passenger crossover" you will find other links that have discussions on this vehicle.
#138 of 10838 Whoa...
Aug 31, 2003 (5:55 pm)
If the price can be held down by Subaru and equipement levels raised.... then we have a hit!
The comparison between Pilot, Subaru Crossover and Rendezvous should be like this.....
Honda Pilot LX vs. Subaru L vs. Rendezvous CX
Honda Pilot EX vs. Subaru GT vs. Rendezvous CXL
Honda Pilot EX-NAVI vs. Subaru L.L Bean vs. Pacifica
#139 of 10838 Curtain Bags
Sep 02, 2003 (9:37 am)
designman - you smashed your head through the side window of your car after being broad-sided AND you don't see the value in Subaru offering curtain bags in their 2005 Legacy re-design? It was a few years ago, but how hard did you hit your head??
Read this 8/26/03 research article:
Does anyone know for sure whether the 2005 Legacy re-design will have curtain bags or not. I need to scratch another LLBean off my short list if it doesn't have curtain bags (my 96 Honda Accord just passed 110K, and although it's in a trouble-free zone right now, it has a lot of original major components...so I'm looking to replace it in spring).
I would be shocked if the 2005 didn't have curtain bags. The SOA executive who makes that decision might as well take the place of the dummy in the Insurance Institute's 2005 Legacy side crash test. No way would it not have at least the head/torso front bag the Forester has now....
BTW, I live clean and mean (no dope, no cigs, beer or two a week, little red meat, Kashi cereal, fruits/veggies, spinach, broccoli, exercise, etc.) and I want EVERY chance to keep living clean and mean - no matter how low the probability of someone kissing the side of my Bean at 40mph!