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Subaru, Subaru Legacy, Subaru Outback, Sedan, Wagon
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#1012 of 10838 Accord Pricing
Apr 14, 2004 (2:03 pm)
First, according to Honda's website AND Carsdirect.com
2004 Accord EX Auto w/ std Side Airbags and optional Side Curtains plus dest:
Anticipated Legacy 2.5i Auto w/ Side Airbags and Curtains and dest.
(Perhaps youre numbers dont include destination charge?)
Second, thats fine the EPA/DOT classify the Accord as a Mid-size and the Legacy a compact. The fact of the matter is that they are competitors, you will see them in comparison tests against each other, and many consumers (I'm NOT saying ALL) WILL cross-shop the two (as my parents will in October). If you want to read that as meaning I disagree with the EPA/DOT classification that's fine.
Third, "To take your example the Accord model you cite is priced lower than the GT Sedan by almost $3000 and it has several features that are optional on the Subaru (AWD excepted). The L model of the Subaru is $2000 less than the Accord model you use as an example and has an even greater lack of standard features (Intellichoice and Edmunds used for comparos)."
What model year Legacy are you even talking about? Are you even talking about 2005? If so, there's no L model (that Im aware of anyway), and the GTs will have 250 hp, so why are you comparing a 160hp Accord to them, and then citing the substantial price difference? Very bizarre comparison.
#1013 of 10838 Re: Accord Pricing [alpha01 #1012]
Apr 14, 2004 (3:28 pm)
I believe he's talking about the EX V6 model. It's showing up in the papers where I live for $24K. It's going to be hard for a GT Limited to compare to that price. The EX has side curtain air bags, leather heated seats, 6 disc changer in dash also. I'm trying to hold out for the Legacy GT Limited myself but Subaru isn't making the wait easy. I hope they don't price themselves out of the mix. Acura is offering AWD in their new RL. Does anyone think this won't trickle down to the TSX and Accord. I think it will.
Apr 14, 2004 (3:38 pm)
This talk about an astronomical price jump on the 2005 Legacy is starting to get tiresome.Why give yourself an ulcer over that which you cannot control?
In other world markets where the new legacy is already on sale there was a minimal price increase, why would Subaru shoot themselves in the foot by pricing themselves out of the market here?
#1015 of 10838 Re: Geez [hondafriek #1014]
Apr 14, 2004 (4:45 pm)
Good point. I, for one, will test drive the new Legacy and bounce it against the VW 4Motion, G35x, Pacifica, and even Highlander Hybrid. I really hope SOA has done a good job with the interior. Is there any information on whether navigation is completely out for the sedans? Automotive news implied so but I wasn't sure if it was definite.
Apr 14, 2004 (5:19 pm)
how the price increase is THAT substantial, given the upgrades...
#1017 of 10838 Re: Geez [hondafriek #1014] [zoomer1 #1015]
Apr 14, 2004 (6:48 pm)
All signs point to no navigation system initially. There have been some rumors of navi availability at the end of the year.
Apr 14, 2004 (7:01 pm)
I bet it will be a separate '06 model, and not an option. In Europe it's sold as a GTn. I bet it will be packaged here in North America the same way; all Legacys and Outbacks with nav will be ID'ed with an "n" classification.
I also bet we'll get the Legacy H-6 w/6-speed for '06. Reportedly that car will go on sale in Europe, Oz & NZ in the fall. I bet we'll be next.
Bottom line: I think for MY06 SOA will flush out the Legacy & Outback with all the MIA items we had hoped for for MY05.
Apr 15, 2004 (5:42 am)
Navigation won't be offered in this model year, I have heard that the holdup has something to do with the future use of GM's OnStar??
I could tell you the source of this info however either way it doesn't matter.. you can believe it or not.. I don't know if I believe it or not.. I do know that the Navigation system won't be offered.
Apr 15, 2004 (6:45 am)
high quality interiors are standard
I noticed this right away. Thicker carpets. Padded headliner, fabric even on the A-pillar like BMW and Mercedes. No loose edges on carpets, all tucked away. Power seats with nicer fabrics and better comfort plus 4 level heat.
You may not need or even want this, I have a feeling some will say the interior is "too nice" for the wear and tear of a family or muddy mountain bikes. But that's what they mean by that.
Accord only comes as a sedan. I think 93% of all Outbacks are sold as wagons. With Legacy it might be less, but still, the great majority of Subies are not sedans.
Accord also only comes with FWD. Zero Subarus with FWD now.
Plus, keep in mind you pay more for wagons, about $1000 more. $2000 more than that for AWD. Add that to an Accord and you see the value of a Subie. In fact the Accord might get SH-AWD but that would definitely make it cost more.
#1021 of 10838 Fabrics in Legacy
Apr 15, 2004 (6:53 am)
Have you seen/felt the fabrics in person? Or has anyone? I'm curious if they're like the WRX interior fabrics (shiny/smooth)? Or the STi (suede-like)? Or more like the old Legacy fabric (bland cloth)?