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Suzuki Verona, Sedan
#347 of 1859 Verona....12V Electrical outlets
Jan 07, 2004 (7:03 am)
Some time back I had posted the question on the effect of using devices like a heater or polisher to the 12 V outlet. Also is there any burden of attaching a remote starter on the battery or alternator of Verona?.
500 miles plus on a Verona and going Great!!
No cold drafts, cold starts or quirks now.
Veronaowner..I apologize for my comment that was meant for Boughtaverona..
How are you doing in the New Year 2004 Verona drivers? I heard Suzuki is getting raves on the displays at the Auto shows in Detroit and LA
#348 of 1859 Inline 6 Cyl
Jan 08, 2004 (3:56 pm)
With regard to aristotle's description of an inline 6, the Verona's is mounted transversely not really inline as the term used to be used. This does not tend make the engine compartment longer, but wider. The Verona uses this attribute to make the interior wider as well which adds to comfort/roominess.
It is true that the internal construction of the engine is going to limit it's size, but, I think Suzuki's/Porsche's thinking is to attack/eliminate the in-line 4 which has been around way too long. In a non-horsepower race way it also attacks the V6 as there is not real way to put a transverse V6 in a car without creating a maintenance nightmare - i.e. - the owner pays a premium for maintenance and repairs.
I think that the Suzuki marketing rep who demanded/begged to be included in Edmonds review actually did a dis-service to the Verona. It's concept is transportation in a much better price/performance package than the 4's in it's price range. Most of the cars in the comparison cost $7-$10,000 more - sure they're going to get rated higher. But it's too bad that reviewers of basic sedans seem to give horsepower and 50-80mph passing times so much credence when the vast majority of mainstream commuting is passed going 20-45 without any need for break-neck acceleration.
Jan 08, 2004 (4:27 pm)
Even against 4 cylinder sedans in it's class the Verona would be outgunned though. Instead of faulting Edmunds for testing the Verona against a V6 line-up maybe you should fault Suzuki for putting such an underpowered engine in a mid-size sedan.
#350 of 1859 Outgunned.....
Jan 08, 2004 (8:15 pm)
Verona is not outgunned...What do you want from a vehicle?. Win a rifle contest or have an efficient but economic transportation medium. Verona is just in the market and is Suzuki's first big attempt at the mid-size. Accord has been around for how many years?. How much do you pay more for such cars?. This argument can go on. Yes its true that suzuki could have powered the I6 more. But that needs refinement and maybe in future the Car would be refined. But the car has 177 Torque. That means it is not outgunned as suggested. How many HP did these cars have when they came into the market?. I think one should appreciate the value for money that Verona offers. Lots of features that are standard. The Verona is an alternative to those who want to spend less but get similar features.
Test results though informative are not the final answer. The consumer would decide if Verona would be acceptable for its qualities or not.
#351 of 1859 Can't help to notice
Jan 09, 2004 (2:19 am)
It seems that the people that own this car like it and the people that do not own or drive this car don't. I have over 6000 miles on it so far and no problems. My wife and I drive to work on a two lane highway 30 miles each way everyday of the week and have managed to get around slower traffic without the aid of the extra one or two seconds. Just to let the owners of lower mile Veronas know the more you drive and once you reach over 3000 miles the car improves in just about every way.
Jan 09, 2004 (4:57 am)
Quote " the people that do not own or drive this car don't"
Well, not quite all. I find it a beautiful and very appealing car, and enjoy this discussion. I own a 2001 Mazda Millenia P with a V6 rated at ONLY 170 HP. And just as the same bunch complain here about the supposed lack of power, they did the same on the MM forum. My Millenia does great under ALL circumstances with the 170 ponies it has. I guess some of us just don't need our egos massaged by excess horsepower under our car hoods. Not long ago Mercedes Benz and BMW were running engines of this calibre. I don't remember all the complaints about a BMW 318 or 325 for instance. I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Jan 09, 2004 (9:27 am)
There were plenty of complaints about the BMW 318i, especially when equipped with an automatic transmission. Note how the model was dropped.
Rasup, the fact that the Verona has 177 lb. ft. means nothing becuase the car is too heavy, overmatching the engine. From what I've read, the transmission is not among the "smartest" either, which doesnt help. The simple fact is that most 4s in this class can out accelerate the Verona in all circumstances, including the most important ones- passing. According to Car and Driver, the Verona is BARELY quicker than the Hybrid Prius, which Car and Driver averaged at 42 MPG, compared to their test Verona at 19.
The Verona offers good value, but please dont argue that anything better than merely adequate acceleration is one of the cars attributes.
Jan 09, 2004 (9:56 am)
The "better than merely adequate acceleration" of the Verona still gets me there in comfort, at a safe speed and on time, Oh, I forgot, I may be 1.5 seconds late due to the 0 to 60 mph acceleration time. I guess everyone is not so HP and speed conscious. Love that Verona....
#355 of 1859 Attributes of Verona..
Jan 09, 2004 (1:04 pm)
Alpha, Your postings always make interesting reading. Yes I did read the Car and driver views. As I said earlier, Views and reviews are one thing, the user would make the decision. I disagree that Torque is not important. Both Torque and Power are important. A lot depends on the type of car and performance you want and on the frequent situations and driving conditions you encounter. For an average driver under normal driving conditions it is important to have a good torque at lower speeds and higher HP at high speeds. Here is a write up on torque:
In the simplest terms, torque is the twisting force the engine applies to the crankshaft and then on to the transmission.
Power, by contrast, is measured as the torque times the rotational speed. In imperial measures, one horsepower is equal to 550 foot-pounds (of torque) per second. Two engines can produce the same power but have very different torque ratings for the following simple reason:
One horsepower can be produced by moving one pound 550 feet OR by moving 550 pounds one foot, provided that either function is achieved in one second.
The difference comes in the fact that the high-torque engine will be rotating slower than the low-torque engine at the same power output but it will be twisting the crankshaft a lot more vigorously.
In theory, different gear ratios - most commonly four or five in cars' gearboxes - should mask different torque characteristics by altering engine speed to suit but the reality is that engines which produce high torque figures at low revolutions respond much more readily in give and take driving.
The practical advantages come in the form of reduced gear changing, lower engine revs and wear and, invariably, lower fuel consumption in all conditions other than constant speed driving.
For Mr Average, torque is therefore more important than horsepower, unless you spend your life racing around at high revs.
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Its true that more HP engines have more accelaration but the Verona feels great and runs smooth and serves us well for our daily requirements.
Its the user that feels best about the Car.The Verona feels great on the road and performs better as the miles log on.
Jan 09, 2004 (2:07 pm)
The fact the car is "heavy" and wide due to the transmounted I6 are in fact attributes I really like. The car feels substantial and solid on the road.....unlike the Corrolla LE I rented not long ago which probably did have better acceleration, but to milk that performance out of the engine you had to stomp on it to 4000+ rpm and it felt like I was driving a whinny tin box.
If it had better acceleration and side air bags, you couldn't find a fault with the Verona. The positive attributes and price make it a great buy over these negatives. Reliability was the wildcard risk for me in my decision to buy, but contrary to the critics who look at the glass half empty and dismiss it as an outdated DAEWOO product, I took comfort knowing that it was an updated DAEWOO product. I rented a Leganza a couple years ago and thought it was a great car.