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Suzuki Verona, Sedan
#1668 of 1855 Re: o4 Verona info [veronaowner]
Jul 15, 2007 (5:00 am)
I also have an 04 Verona EX bought in April 2004. In Sept 04 I received a Safety Recall Notice from Suzuki to replace the ECM Engine Control Module. Idling smoothness was significantly improved and I have had NO issues with the car since then. Last year I had the transmission re-flashed at the recommendation of the dealer (not that I noted a problem). Supposedly it removed the learning mode. Performance of the transmission about the same, maybe slightly improved after the service. The car has NEVER stalled in traffic or otherwise. Still on original battery, brakes, tires after 32,000+ miles. Car runs flawlessly. Not a single failed component, never seen any trouble codes / Engine Check Light never came on. Only services were gas and routine oil changes (IMPORTANT: I perform the oil / filter changes myself at regular intervals using ONLY 5W30 and the correct quantity (6.8 qts per Suzuki TSB TS 03-06234 for the RP625 engine). I truly believe that using the wrong grade oil and / or qty. has been a MAJOR contributor to the engine issues being reported here. The only parts I replaced on this car are the rear turn signal bulbs, not because they "failed" but the amber coating wore off. Total cost of replaced parts in 3+ yrs. of ownership = $3.49. One thing I would like to advise, before selecting my car on the dealer lot, I had the "advantage" of trying out a few Veronas, and two of three had starting / idling / stalling issues. Mine was the only one that performed perfectly off the lot and selected it. So I truly believe everyone's grief is real and not exaggerated. True, a very small statistical sample, but from my viewpoint 2 out of 3 Veronas have serious issues and I think that is what we are seeing on this board.
#1669 of 1855 Re: o4 Verona info [veronaowner]
Jul 15, 2007 (7:07 am)
Just a housekeeping note - it appears you have changed email addresses? Please update your account to reflect that. Thanks!
#1670 of 1855 Re: What happens when they run out of engines? [esalazar]
Jul 15, 2007 (9:32 am)
well, I never actually saw the engine they replaced but I don't have any reason to doubt the dealer. They gave me a free rental car for a week or so both times and I haven't been charged a penney for anything since it is all under warranty. I don't know why they would doing all this just for fun. I never had any problems with either engine they replaced so it's not like they were trying to say they were doing this to resolve some complaint from me. The only possibility I can think of is that they are making a lot of money from Suzuki for swapping out these engines because maybe their regular business is slow.
#1671 of 1855 re: Trading Verona for Sonata
Jul 22, 2007 (6:52 am)
I too, am the former owner of a Verona who traded his in for an 06 Hyundai Sonata (used), after marvelling over his wife's 07 Hyundai Sonata (new).
Although I didn't have any real mechanical problems with my Verona, I never really liked the way the transmission shifted. It never held the gears long enough, and never shifted at the right time. I believe the car could have been soooooo much better with a 5 speed automatic like the Hyundais have. The interior was fantastic, switchgear, paint, fit, finish all good. I bought my EX brand new Jan 1, 2004 for around 15000, kept it two years, and traded it for around 10,000. There are great deals to be had on cars in January, when everyone is broke from Christmas, and noone is buying.
The new Sonatas are tremendous. Bigger, quieter on the highway, much faster, and better on gas.
I do miss the 4.25% loan I had on the Verona, however, and I always got good service at my dealership. However, Hyundai is trying to build reputation, and you can get the same good service with them.
I'm sad about the Verona. It missed being a really good car because of the transmission sucking the life out of the engine. The transverse straight six was a brave idea, and I believe with a more efficient (read Asian) transmission, I think it could have been a whole different car. Oh well, I guess we'll never know. I'm sure somebody at Suzuki headquarters does, and if they are reading this, they are saying Yeah! That's right! I said that all along!
I sure hope they get it right next time, because Hyundai is a juggernaut right now.
#1672 of 1855 Re: endless list of verona's on the ofi.nhtsa website [esalazar]
Jul 29, 2007 (12:32 pm)
You know, it's not fair to judge Suzuki on this car alone. I've had several of they're other vehicles from the past and never had problem with any of them. The other cars made by them have been of good quality and made in Japan. The Aerio and Esteem come to mind. I've owned an Esteem and several Suzuki Sidekicks that have performed quite well for me. I was close to buying a Verona in 2004 but shy'd away after learning that they were Korean made GM/Daewoos rebadged as Suzukis.
I think the main problem here is that these Veronas are warmed over Daewoo Leganzas. They were made in Korea in the Daewoo factory using all the same parts as before.
The Forenza seems to be fairing much better and it is also based on Daewoo designed car and is made in Korea.
#1673 of 1855 Re: endless list of verona's on the ofi.nhtsa website [axel_rose]
Jul 30, 2007 (8:42 am)
Axel, I disagree. Although their other cars do not fair as badly as the Verona, Suzuki splashed their decals all over the Verona and are now claiming what you're claiming--that it's not really a Suzuki. That cop-out alone gives me a bad faith feeling even if I owned their XL7. Unfortunately I do own a Verona and that bad faith feeling is all too real. For those of us who are stalling at stoplights, stop signs, railroad tracks and on the freeways while in motion, excuses are the last thing we want to hear. And for those of us who have made upteen trips to the service department, researched lemon laws and made payments on a car we can't use, we should be applauded for not going "Lindsay Lohan". It's pretty much a consensus that Suzuki would rather pay warranty bills than give an all out recall on this serious safety issue. (Did I mention it was a serious safety issue?) Everytime I hear this claim from the dealership or Suzuki I feel like a rug--stepped on, hosed down and hung out to dry.
Aug 01, 2007 (9:49 am)
My 04 Verona is starting to humm a littleover 25mph or so. I bought new tires a few months ago and was planning to take it back to the tire dealer to have them checked. Then I remebered the CV joint issue I had with a Volkswagen Golf many years ago. Their CV joints usually needed to be replaced at 60,000-80,000 miles. This humm sounds similar. I only have 43,000 miles on the Verona. Has anyone had to have their CV joints replaced?
#1675 of 1855 Re: CV joints [evergreen]
Aug 07, 2007 (2:18 pm)
Just had my Verona in to the dealer to check on the humming noise. They thought it was probably a wheel bearing but discovered it was some bearing in the transmission. Now they are going to replace the transmission. With the new head last Fall, two new engines this year and now a new transmission, I am sure Suzuki now has more money into this vehicle in warranty work than it cost me new. With over three more years on the drivetrain warranty, this car will probably cost them even more. We really enjoy the car and it has never left us stranded so I guess I shouldn't be too worried about it. When the head and both new motors were installed, the dealer picked up on the problem before I even had an inkling anything was wrong. I did notice this humming noise before they did but they said it could still be driven safely and it wouldn't leave a person stranded. I am still wondering if they will eventually decide to buy the car back. Have any of you had your car bought back by Suzuki? How do they figure a price?
Aug 11, 2007 (5:45 am)
The Verona (read: Daewoo) is still being made and is sold in a few parts of the world, with 2.0 and 2.5 liter I6 engines. They may have the quality control problems improved since the cars would not be marketable as they were. Our Verona now has 43,000 miles on it and is running fine. The radio quit one day and the dealer reset the radio by putting in numbers from the owner's card that came with the car. The engine is OK and remains smooth. I have used Mobil 1 oil from the beginning and sometimes wonder if a few of the many different reported engine problems relate to the factory-installed oil?
The discussion of oil weights seems unimportant. The viscosity difference between 5W-20 and 10W-30 is less than the viscosity differences caused by a few degrees of temperature difference. Engines in general are not critically dependent on precision of viscosity index, as shown by the many millions of cars running successfully on every conceivable oil that consumers dump into them. The real problem was quality control at Daewoo. The auto industry move to lower viscosity oils is primarily driven by fuel economy considerations, not engine life issues.
Aug 26, 2007 (2:13 pm)
After 46 months and 26025 miles the check engine light came on my 04 Verona EX. I had noticed there was a bit rough idle on startup. I will take it to the dealer tomorrow and have them run the diagnostic test on it. I have a service agreement on it for the Chrysler/Suzuki dealer I bought it from, but I have moved to a different state and city. The Suzuki dealer does not honor the service agreement, so I will have to take it to a Chrysler dealer. Other than the throttle body being replaced and a few up dates and reboots to the computer, I have not had problems.
I checked the gas tank cap and it is tight. (Read that on this board) Will post how it goes later.