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You are in the Suzuki Verona
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Suzuki Verona, Sedan
#1347 of 1859 Re: 06 or 07 Verona [kctom]
Sep 14, 2005 (6:36 pm)
i hate to burst your cloud you're coasting on, but this VERONA owner knows exactly what the deal is with the ECM and in no way is it being blown out of proportion. my car is in the shop right now. dealership admits that this is a problem and they were waiting on some techs f/suzuki to get there so that everyone could get together and try to find out why they are unable to fix it. no one seems to be able to find a source to repair. they have tried many diff methods, one was even putting a 2005 computer in my 2004. they did, thought that had solved the problem after putting a couple hundred miles on my car to see if had fixed it. they thought it had, returned my car to me just before closing on a saturday and i drove it approx 3 miles and guess what...PROBLEMS!!!, needless to say, my car was back in the shop first thing monday morning and i'm back in a rental again. the 2005 also has issues so don't even go there, that's why they decided not to make any more VERONAs. i'm real close to painting my car as a lemon and advertising it that way in as many places as i can in areas that are well traffic'd. so unless it's not happening to you, don't put down the ones that it is effecting. at this point in time, there are 3 other VERONAS along with mine in the shop with the same issues, and from what i've researched on this vehicle, this is only the beginning of the problems. my odometer reading is over 24,000. not to mention i now have a car with all of the 2004 problems along with the issues of the 2005 model
#1348 of 1859 Re: Gargare on the Board [kctom]
Sep 14, 2005 (6:48 pm)
please read my posting #1347
#1349 of 1859 Re: 06 or 07 Verona [krstnvnc]
Sep 14, 2005 (7:52 pm)
How can you know exactly what the deal is with the ECM with your experience with a SINGLE Verona that you own?
Without full statistical data on how many of the Veronas were sold, how many developed any given problem, how many were fixed with the ECM upgrade, there is no way to know exactly how widespread or serious this or any other problem is at this point.
There is a really good chance that the dealers technicians are overlooking the actual cause of the problem that is not related to the ECM, but due to the ECM problems in the past cannot get past the tunnel vision. In any case if they cannot repair the car under warranty within a reasonable effort, you can always see if you need an attorney. Then wait up to two years while you cannot drive the Verona waiting for the courts to decide. This is assuming they will not do a voluntary buy back.
#1350 of 1859 Re: 06 or 07 Verona [krstnvnc]
Sep 14, 2005 (7:56 pm)
It's too bad that you are having problems. What kctom doesn't tell everybody is that he sells these cars. So he naturally wants to minimize these problems. What Suzuki should do; is offer a GM car as a trade straight across for the Veronas. Offer the Verona owners a new car at no-charge! Maybe just pay for the miles used on the Verona. While the Chevy Malibu has gotten mixed reviews for it's style, it is turning out to be a fairly reliable car. Shame on Suzuki/GM Daewoo for these monsters of an automobile. GIVE THE OWNERS A BREAK!!
#1351 of 1859 Re: 06 or 07 Verona [dkuhajda]
Sep 14, 2005 (7:59 pm)
There were only 12,000ish (Veronas) sold last year. Furthermore, if they are replacing heads (as many owners have stated) this goes to the serious of the issues. These things are going to go the way of the Edsel... and for good reason!!
#1352 of 1859 Re: 06 or 07 Verona [chuck1]
Sep 15, 2005 (9:33 pm)
Just to have my 2 cents thrown in I bought my 04 Verona in Oct of 04 and I drive for a living. I have put over 26k miles on it and have not had a single problem with it except for the check engine light a few times. Maybe I'm just lucky.
#1353 of 1859 Re: Still waiting [nace818]
Sep 17, 2005 (11:04 am)
Well guys, its been nearly 2 weeks that I put mine in the shop for the cylinder head and I still don't have it back. They are still waiting for the part which they said is delayed because of the hurricane. To make matters worse there is not one Enterprise car rental that has a car to rent in Baton Rouge according to the dealer. I know this to be true because I found that hard to believe and called several of them myself. Since this city literally doubled in population overnight, all the evacuees must have rented the cars. So I am having to beg for rides when I can't get a company car. For all of my trouble, it had better be fixed right this time.
#1354 of 1859 Re: 06 or 07 Verona [suziv]
Sep 20, 2005 (10:31 am)
Guess I am one of the lucky few, too. I have 24k on my 04 Verona and it has only been in the shop for oil changes. It runs like a fine Swiss watch. Almost as quiet, too.
#1355 of 1859 Re: 06 or 07 Verona [evergreen]
Sep 20, 2005 (4:16 pm)
It is not a matter of being one of the lucky few. There just is no solid evidence of how far the problems are be they the early ecm problems or the later valve seats wearing out (which might be isolated to dealers using the wrong weight of oil).
Don't worry about the very few people posting here with problems as most people who do not have any problems are not likely to complain about nothing, but almost everyone with a problem will want to complain.
While I take anecdotal evidence seriously, I also consider the whole picture and will wait until the data from the servicers comes through in a couple of years to make my real judgment. The early information does not look good, but time will tell. When the Verona first came to the US, it really seemed like it was not quite ready for prime time. The Ford Focus also was a car that was not quite ready for prime time when it hit the market the first couple of years, but look at it now.
I can agree that of the Suzuki dealers I have had to take cars in for service had less than the best service departments. This does not mean that all the Suzuki dealers service departments are less than stellar, just a two that I had to deal with.
I would not worry myself too much with the isolated anecdotal evidence from a few people here. At this point it could mean the problem is widespread or it could mean that there are a few bad cars.
#1356 of 1859 Re: 06 or 07 Verona [dkuhajda]
Sep 20, 2005 (7:42 pm)
"I would not worry myself too much with the isolated anecdotal evidence from a few people here. At this point it could mean the problem is widespread or it could mean that there are a few bad cars."
It would appear just on this board that the problems are substantial. With only 12,000 sold last year ( according to Consumer Reports and others) just based on the problems posted here, I don't see why anybody with a rational mind would possibly purchase one of these cars. If there were some "fire sale" and they got rid of these new for less than 10K, then that is a different story!
I can understand the current owners suffering through these problems. I am sure most are still making problems and driving a car that is essentially worthless. It is a certainty that the Suzuki dealers were not prepared for all the problems.......