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Suzuki Verona, Sedan
#1269 of 1859 Re: impact ratings [kctom]
Jun 09, 2005 (10:21 pm)
Well, I'm certainly not going to go and sell my Verona tomorrow. No, I love the car, and some bad crash test results aren't going to change how I feel about it, nor should it. I do feel that my control in the car (with its excellent brakes and what I consider precise steering) is such that I can more easily avoid some accidents that I couldn't avoid with other cars. But if I were going out and buying new, the crash test ratings would have to be a factor.
That being said, Suzuki apparently thinks there's something fishy about the tests, and they said they would look into it.
But here's the bottom line, and I hope Suzuki hears it: If they keep making cars like this and pricing it like this, I'll buy another Suzuki and be happy. But if they want me to become a lifelong customer, they have to get the Verona gas mileage up a little higher and improve the crash ratings to at least average, while still keeping the car at least a thousand less than a similarly-equipped Camry or Accord. They'll have to keep the smoothness and torque, too. But the one deciding factor on winning my loyalty for life is how well this car was made. They said they want to be known for quality. If my 2004 Verona doesn't leave me that impression, I'm going back to Honda.
However, just under 6k miles and 4 months of ownership, I'm still tickled pink with the quality. I still get a rush looking at its styling. I still get a thrill feeling the torque off the traffic light change and being able to get the spot in the traffic I want. And I like the room and comfort. They hit a home run with me on this one. Shouldn't I hope they hit another home run to win my heart forever?
#1270 of 1859 Re: Speed vs RPM [brainfertilize]
Jun 11, 2005 (4:31 pm)
brainfertilize, I tried your suggestion of keeping the RPMs around 2000 but this is really impossible for me. With the traffic behind you, you would barely be moving off from a traffic light to keep it at 2000 or under. I just like to get to where I'm going as fast as I can even if I'm not late. I just can't seem to help myself. And you know the car magazines rag the Verona for its slow 0 to 60 time, but I find it has plenty get up and go for everyday driving. Besides, how often does someone put the pedal to the medal just to see how fast he can get to 60?
Jun 12, 2005 (9:54 am)
Okay, let me adjust. Keeping RPMs under 2k is a little TOO hard, and impossible at 60 mph. But 2500 RPM is doable. You still have decent acceleration, and can get all the way up to 60mph in a reasonable, if slow, amount of time.
Which makes me think that the low gas mileage for the Verona comes from the fact that it revs up easily, almost too easily. A strong acceleration can get you above 5k quickly, maybe without you realizing it. That uses a lot of gas, I'm sure.
Jun 12, 2005 (10:18 am)
I posted without noticing your comment that 2000 RPM is too low. It is. There's no way to get to 60 mph at all without doing at least 2500 RPM.
In Hawaii, the acceleration you get at 2500 RPMs isn't usually slow at all, although also not fast. If you need to change lanes, you do sometimes have to rev the engine faster.
And yeah, I like the surge of power. I haven't been able to make myself stay under 2500 RPMs consistently enough to see any change in gas mileage. But being aware of it is changing my habits slightly. I don't always accelerate as fast as I can, because I'm watching the tachometer and seeing if I can keep it low.
In any case, it's made me more aware of how the car works and revs.
But the bottom line for me is: If I use discipline and keep the car under 2500 rpms as much as possible, I might see a 2 mpg improvement, and probably just 1 mpg.
Let's say you drive 90 miles per day. If you get 18 mpg, that's 5 gallons you just used, compared to 4.5 gallons if you got 20 mpg. That works out to about $1.15 in increased costs, or $34/month, or $408/year. That's the extent of your motivation to stay slow.
In Hawaii, I do average 27 miles per day. That means a cost of about $.38/day, and $136 a year.
That's for 2 mpg. The Camry and Accord actually do more like 3-5 mpg better. Assuming 5 mpg improvement over what I currently get, I "lose" $340/year over the gas costs of an Accord. But I saved at least $6000 over a similarly-equipped Accord, so I can drive the car nearly 18 years before I break even (aside from maintenance costs...we'll see how the car holds up). Since I'm planning on keeping the car only about 5 years (my financial situation will be quite a bit better when I have it paid off), and a max of 7, it's not really worth it to me to keep the RPMs low.
Particularly since other people have reported using synthetic 5W-30 oil improves gas mileage by 1-3 mpg, anyway.
...but I don't like wasting money on gas, so I'm going to play around with different things to see what kind of mileage improvement I can get, i.e., synthetic oil, a K&N air filter, maybe some premium spark plugs eventually, and maybe even try the cold-air vortext air inflow attachment that I've seen on eBay. I'll report on 'em as I go, but I'm still trying to establish my baseline gas mileage.
#1273 of 1859 Re: Verona mileage..
Jun 14, 2005 (11:50 am)
The aspect of rpms influencing the mileage is interesting. Personally, as I live in a hilly region, it is impossible to look at the rpm meter. Also the adaptive system and the computer would "learn" the pattern when you rethink your driving to keeping under 2500 rpm. So what happens when you want to use torque to slice in on the highway from the ramp?. This is important especially in areas where there is agressive driving. You are often "pressurized" to push harder. I would like to know if any members have read about or used a product called vornado which is actually a vortex tube fitted before the air intake to create a vortex flow of air into the fuel chamber. What happens to the air fuel mixture? and does it affect the oxygen sensors? The system claims to improve gas mileage.
#1274 of 1859 Re: Verona mileage.. [rasup]
Jun 14, 2005 (11:34 pm)
I've heard about it, and I'm thinking about trying it myself. It wasn't available the last time I checked on eBay. Right now my plan is to change to synthetic oil next week and give it a month to track the gas usage, then try the vortex thing to see if it adds any additional improvement.
Jun 14, 2005 (11:38 pm)
The RPM thing is just a theory of mine. I haven't actually proved it to myself yet.
#1276 of 1859 Re: CD Player. [charlie9]
Jun 17, 2005 (11:02 am)
Thanks for the reply. I had to get a replacement radio. I'm glad I am still under warrenty. And so far not more problems with the radio.
#1277 of 1859 Hubcap replacement
Jun 17, 2005 (11:09 am)
I had mentioned a while back of the problems I had with the hubcaps falling off everytime I got a tire rotation. Today I went to get the my tires rotated and I stressed to the dealer to check my tires this time. When they were done, I asked did they check and he said they had to replace one because the attachment piece was bent. So they gave me a new one. So far I have all my caps!
I no longer get surprised with what goes on with my Verona. I just go with the flow. I will admit though since my Lemon Law claim, I pretty much get what I want from the dealership when it comes to my Verona.
24,000 and hanging in there!
#1278 of 1859 Synthetic Oil and Gas Mileage
Jun 22, 2005 (4:25 pm)
I switched to Quaker State full Synthetic 5W-30. So far it seems a wash as far as mileage. But it was cooler when I ran conventional oil so there was little need for air conditioning. But then the car is still breaking in with only 4000 miles on it. My guess is about 1mpg or 5%. There is just too many variables to say for sure.