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You are in the Suzuki Verona
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Suzuki Verona, Sedan
#1050 of 1855 Re: New Owner [chuck1]
Feb 20, 2005 (5:38 pm)
First Chuck, all life is a crap shoot.
The primary complaint against this car concerns stalling. Anyone who knows anything about an automobile knows that this is a relively simple software/hardware bug in the EFI. For some reason, the EFI is trying to run the engine too lean. This means too little fuel to air ratio. I guess you had to drive and maintain one of them old cars with a carburetor to understand. Peolpe who do not understand this, avoid the car like the plague allowing me to get a great automobile for a steal of a price.
I believe that I have explained why the factory may have reduced the 2005 production run, if in fact, they did.
For some reason I having problems with this logic that I shouldn't buy a car because others aren't buying it. You're like the person who doesn't buy stock during bear makets then goes wild during the bull runs and then wonders why they don't make money in the market. If you want a good buy, you have got to be ahead of the market.
As far as dealers are concerned, I have notice a lack of a fire sale mentality. They a sitting on a pile of new 2004 Verona's that are not geting any newer. You would think that they would want to sell these as rapidly as they could. But they don't advertise them at all. They must believe, or Suzuki must believe, that the problems are solved and drastic measures are not neded.
I get the distinct feeling from your post that you are upset with me for doing something that you would not do. Why would you tell me that I just took a big chance? Ain't going to do me any good to know this now. Are you scolding me? "Shame shame, you took a chance. You bought a car when the criteria that I use should have told any rational person that they shouldn't have purchased it."
Oh well! I will just go back to cruising comfortably in my new Verona with it's heated leather seats and automatic temperature control and feel this terrible guilt feeling knowing that others paid more for their cars because they let fear and not logic rule their lives. It's a tough life.
Still here in KC
#1051 of 1855 Re: New Owner [kctom]
Feb 20, 2005 (5:49 pm)
"As far as dealers are concerned, I have notice a lack of a fire sale mentality. They a sitting on a pile of new 2004 Verona's that are not geting any newer. You would think that they would want to sell these as rapidly as they could. But they don't advertise them at all. They must believe, or Suzuki must believe, that the problems are solved and drastic measures are not needed."
If they are "sitting" on these cars and there are no-problems, why are they all sitting on the back of their lots? Why aren't they advertised. It seems to me if you want to sell something...anything for that matter you would want it right there in front for all to see, and advertise the heck out of out. Nope, I think Suzuki has a major porblem on their hands and have yet to figure out a solution. BTW, I do go back to the cars of "yesteryear" and those lousy carburetors....
#1052 of 1855 Re: New Owner [evergreen]
Feb 20, 2005 (6:07 pm)
So far, that's exactly the way that I feel. It's a great car. I think that the 6 cy engine is a great idea. I didn't want a 4 banger. They rev so high just to pull away from a stop light. I didn't like the V6. I am not a lead-footed driver weaving in and out of trafic. Also, I have heard the horror stories about changing plugs. This little in-line 6 is great.
I was and still am impressed by the overall positive consumer reviews that the Verona has received. It is only .5 point behind the Camry even considering all of the problems that new owners experienced. I really believe that his stalling problem is behing them. Like I said, it's not brain surgery to reprogram an EFI. Obviously this car hit the road before it was ready. My gut feeling is that this is GM's fault. That behemoth of an organization cannot do anything fast IMO.
I didn't realize that GM was involved in this car so heavily. Me and GM cars don't get along. Maybe there is little enough GM blood in it that this won't be a problem.
I have a problem with red cars. I cannot help but calling them "Hello Officer Red." So I got the burgandy colored Verona. I think that they call it pearl red. It's puuuuuuurdy.
Two questions. How long does it take for the transmission to fully learn the driver? I don't really have a complaint about the shifting, but it could be better. Also, have you had any experiences with multi-driver situations. Does this confuse the computer?
Here in KC
#1053 of 1855 Re: New Owner [chuck1]
Feb 20, 2005 (7:51 pm)
Well Chuck I don't know what to tell you. I guess by your reasoning, all that Suzuki would need to do is to move those Veronas to the front of the lot and raise the prices and you would buy one tomorrow.
#1054 of 1855 Re: New Owner [kctom]
Feb 20, 2005 (9:22 pm)
"Well Chuck I don't know what to tell you. I guess by your reasoning, all that Suzuki would need to do is to move those Veronas to the front of the lot and raise the prices and you would buy one tomorrow."
Nope, even though I think they are beautiful cars, that ECM issue would keep me from buying one. It's really something how we rationalize our purchases. One of the posters said something to the effect-"Well I really don't have any complaints about how the transmission shifts-but it could be better". I think what this statement really means is-"Well- I really don't like the shifting pattern (there goes that darn ECM again!) but I guess I will have to put up with it!" Oh well....
Feb 20, 2005 (10:55 pm)
I read your post that the Verona is only .5 behind the Camry. May I ask where you read that? That sounds encouraging!
-Tom (Also in K.C.)
#1057 of 1855 Chicago Auto Show
Feb 21, 2005 (9:49 am)
By the way, I agree with Tom on all of this hoopla about Suzuki not trying to sell these. I don't know where Chuck is from, but I have 3 Dealers in my area alone, and I know one of the service managers and at all three of these dealers, there is not one Verona sitting in the back of the lot, as a matter of fact, these cars are selling very good in the Chicago market, I see them on the road every morning. Anyways, I went to the Chicago Auto Show and I talked with one of the parts analyst people from the Suzuki office in Woodale, Illinois, and asked him a couple of questions. First, I asked him if they are planning on getting rid of these cars in 2006. He said that the Verona is selling very well, as well as the Forenza. He said the difference in the amount you see on the road is because of the price difference, and the Forenza is liked much more by people in their teens to early twenties, because they like the smaller cars like the civic and focus, and most are in college and cannot afford to spend the 17,000 for the Verona. The Verona is aimed more as the family vehicle, even though I think it is a sporty family car. The Second question was about the feeling of the engine kinda cutting out at 45 MPH. This is not a big deal, my car does it every once in a while, but all cars can do something wierd at certain times. He told me that that is the Fuzzy logic transmission on the car, it learned upon your driving style, whether you jack rabbit, or start normal off of a stop light, to shift at the 45MPH point or a little earlier, depending on which you do coming off of a light. 3rd question is about some of the people here, inculding myself, that were having problems with the car sounding like it was knocking when reducing from high speeds. He said they found that the dealers were putting 10w-40 in the cars instead of the 5w-30 that is supposed to be in the car. As you know, at high speeds and hot temp in the engine, the 10w-30 thins out and likes to drain back to the oil pan instead of staying up near the lifters. I did my own oil change and found that this took car of the problem. If you go to the dealer for an oil change, ask them to use 5w-30 in your car. we talked for nearly a half hour about the car, and I found out all of this, when the dealer won't tell you jack because they really have no clue.
Hope this Helps
#1058 of 1855 Re: Chevrolet Epica
Feb 21, 2005 (12:02 pm)
I purchased a 2004 Chevrolet Epica (which is an almost-identical twin to the Verona) early June 2004. The car was great - it had all the features we were looking for. Furthermore, the car (called the Daewoo Magnus in Korea) is actually a high-class sedan that has been in production for several years in Korea.
Almost immediately, we ran into problems with our car stalling. In the beginning, the car only stalled when we were stopped at a red light or a stop sign, but on the odd occasion, it would stall while we were actually accelerating in the middle of a freeway.
We took the car in about 9-10 times at a local dealership where we got the car from, but the problem wouldn't get fixed. The ECM Valve is the issue, they said. They replaced it and it still didn't work. They tried all sorts of things and I think I may have driven my car about 5 times over the next several months while they were working on my car to find a problem.
I should say that the dealership did give it its best shot. GM was the company that wasn't quite so co-operative.
That's when I called GM directly and vented my concerns and even hinted at the possibility of a lawsuit. I didn't think it was right for GM to put me in a car that could put my life at risk.
On September 2004, GM agreed to buy back our faulty Epica and got me a brand new model. It has stalled once, but after they did the "lean fuel" recall, it has not stalled since and it has been a wonderful car.
#1059 of 1855 My problems so far
Feb 21, 2005 (1:54 pm)
My problems so far:
Bought the car in July 2004.
Dealer stopped selling Suzuki in November.
Recall was performed on Ecm.
The only running problem has been, the car sometimes acts like it is stalling or surging between 45-55 mph. (transmission?)
Check engine light came on at 8200 miles, 2 weeks ago. Drove 100 miles to nearest dealer to find oxygen sensor bad. Reset light and ordered part. Light is still off, but will have to drive another 100 miles each way to have the sensor changed.
I am pretty happy with the Verona, the worst issue to me is the dealer in Chattanooga losing it's franchise and now having to drive to Atlanta.