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Re: lemon law [sls002]
by otto8
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May 25, 2008 (10:21 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (May 25, 2008 9:35 am)
Hey All....Long time no post!
Anyhoo...........I finally took the plunge and traded my 03 Deville base that
had 53k miles and was for the most part troublefree with only 1 visit
to the service dept. for a water pump seal and a emission programming
recall. Aside from several $19.95 oil changes no other services were
required in the almost 5 years I had the car....................
While wintering in Daytona the local Caddy dealer had several used
o7 DTS models for a reasonable $27k so I figured I would take a look!
Found a nice loaded out Lux 3 pkg in Diamond white that was a GM PEP
unit and not a rental with 2,700 miles.
I wanted a new 08 but even with my GM employee deal the MSRP of
almost $50k on a lux3 and my final price of around $38k the 07 was
quite the deal !!!!!!!!!!!
I only got $15k trade allowance on my 53k mile 03 but it did need
brakes and tires as the original Michelins were pretty thin............
I hope this new one will serve me as well as my past Caddies and
I do run them hard and put them away wet at times ! 
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Re: lemon law [wes63]
by kenb757
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May 27, 2008 (8:14 am)
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Replying to: wes63 (May 24, 2008 6:38 am)
Speed dependent vibration in a car is usually caused an imbalance of a rotating mass, most likely the wheels and tires. In a fwd car there is no long driveshaft connecting the rear axle to the transmission, so let's assume it's the wheel/tire combination. When the tires are mounted they need to be matched to the wheels; the high spot (mass) on the tire is matched to the low spot on the tire. This is usually indicated by painted dots. Then, the balancing should be done with an on-car spin balancer. This will compensate for any remaining imbalances and most accurately simulate real world driving. If your dealer doesn't have an on-car spin balancer, go to an independent who does. FYI: I've got Michelin Pilots on my 07 DTS and everything is very smooth. Now if we could eliminate the vibration from the Northstar V-8 and the road noise, I'd be happy with it.
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Re: lemon law [kenb757]
by sls002
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May 28, 2008 (7:01 am)
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Replying to: kenb757 (May 27, 2008 8:14 am)
It is important to have both a static as well as dynamic balance. I think that the on car balance method only gets you a static balance, but if the wheels/tires are balanced first to get the dynamic balance, then the on car balance can correct of any problems that may exist with the rotating mass composed of the brake rotors and axles.
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Re: Reliable DTS? Anybody have one? [bremertong]
by woofbite
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Jul 02, 2008 (6:43 am)
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Replying to: bremertong (Mar 26, 2008 10:00 pm)
Are you thinking of an MKS? I've been looking at the brochure and plan to drive one when local dealers have them. I really wanted a new STS or DTS but the 2008 DTS is apparently identical to my 2006 and 2009's will be too. STS's always feel so cramped because of their two-foot wide consoles which I hate.
Seems like, no matter how big or small the exterior of a car, the driver gets a 20 by 40 inch box in which to live.
Bring back the Hummer 1. (well maybe not, but they were roomy).
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FUEL ECONOMY AND MY 2006 DTS
by bremertong
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Jul 11, 2008 (8:43 pm)
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I own a 2006 DTS that now has a little over 8000 miles on it. It is my third Deville and gets the worst fuel economy of the three. The window sticker said 15 city and 23 highway at time of purchase. I am actually getting around 19 city and 26.5 highway. Problem is that my 2004 Deville got around 29 highway and 20.5 city. With gas prices headed much higher than they are now I think Cadillac Division needs to do more to address this problem of fuel economy in its cars. YES I can afford it but also feel that Cadillac should have been working on this fuel economy issue for the last several years. As you probably know the cost of fuel has been rising for several years and Cadillac has done nothing to address the issue. With shares of General Motors now trading at less than ten dollars a share and the same old tired chairmen spews out the same irrelevant statements time after time while the foreign competition developes and markets hybrids here and now. In the past Cadillac has been an innovator and it's time for the division to step up and innovate in the matter of fuel efficiency. I also own a 2005 Lincoln Town Car that gets better fuel efficiency both highway and city than my 2006 DTS, the T.C. also weighs 400 pounds more than the DTS.
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Re: FUEL ECONOMY AND MY 2006 DTS [bremertong]
by thegraduate
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Jul 15, 2008 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: bremertong (Jul 11, 2008 8:43 pm)
I also own a 2005 Lincoln Town Car that gets better fuel efficiency both highway and city than my 2006 DTS, the T.C. also weighs 400 pounds more than the DTS.
And the Town Car isn't as quick or powerful...part of the price you pay for better economy on these dated engine designs.
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heated steering wheel problem '04 DTS
by caddyfreak
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Jul 16, 2008 (10:26 am)
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Only right side will heat up.
anyone taken the wheel apart to repair an element problem?
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Re: FUEL ECONOMY AND MY 2006 DTS [thegraduate]
by vic10
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Jul 16, 2008 (5:19 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Jul 15, 2008 9:24 am)
Realizing a lot of this is personal taste: I drove a TownCar for a week last year and found it overly soft and sloppy handling--the brakes were a disaster, too soft and not very supportive seats, and a very winded engine once you left the city streets for the highway. I've owned a '08 DTS performance for 3 months now and it still impresses me with its controlled ride (it has the magnetic struts), interior comfort, and great zip of the Northstar (and coming from a Hemi powered 300C, that's saying something). Totally different feeling cars, and that's reflected in their names: Town Car vs Deville Touring Sedan. I would feel much more secure on a twisty mountain road in the DTS. Alas, I do have to pay the gas bills and the performance gearing means higher revs on the highway and longer times in lower gears when accelerating. My commuting average is only 19 mpg (the Hemi would average 21). But it's worth it for the ride....
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Re: FUEL ECONOMY AND MY 2006 DTS [vic10]
by bremertong
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Jul 16, 2008 (9:16 pm)
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Replying to: vic10 (Jul 16, 2008 5:19 pm)
Thanks very much for sharing your experience with T.C. and DTS. I have owned my T.C. for two years and my DTS for about fourteen months. It would be hard to part with either car in that each has features I like. As mentioned in previous posts the DTS is more of a performance sedan and the TC feels more like a luxury car. I alternate the cars driving DTS one day and TC the next. I really like them both and look forward to getting the individual experience of the other. With fuel prices where they are I am becoming increasingly concerned about the energy crises. I was brought up on two important principles. The Titanic was unsinkable but as we all know did sink. And the idea (similar) that a small hole can sink a big ship. At the moment I have fairly deep pockets but also realize that if the price of fuel rises substantially I may have to revisit the issue of fuel costs and these two nice cars. I am disappointed that Cadillac has not even mentioned the idea of a Hybrid
and as you may know the T.C. is being discontinued after the 2008 model year. I still have close to three years of warranty on my DTS but am unsure that my replacement car will be another GM product. I have never owned an import before but my next cars may be a Lexus and a Mercedes. Hopefully the American auto industry will address the issues that concern us all and address them in future models.
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Re: lemon law [swhite407]
by wes63
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Aug 02, 2008 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: swhite407 (May 24, 2008 11:32 am)
Well you can forget about GM helping you solve any problems you may have with your Cadillac DTS or any other vehicle. I followed the procedure in the owners manual when I could not rectify my problem through the dealership. I sent a registered letter/receipt requested and seven attempts were made to pasify (sp) me. They stated that DTS vibrations WERE NORMAL and I needed to put more miles on the car in order for the vibrations to go away. I DOUBT IT VERY MUCH. They said they would make arrangements with the dealership to complete another test drive, BUT THE DEALER DID NOT HAVE TO AGREE TO PERFORMING MORE WORK IF THEY FELT IT WAS NOT NEEDED. The dealership REFUSED to test drive the car. GM said they were through with me!
I have purchased over 20 GM vehicles in my life and I AM DONE WITH GM. One thing is for sure, many people will by GM and when there are problems they can expect to receive no assistance. The lemon law in this state covers me for two years/24K miles, and there may be relief one day. Until then I will tell everyone about GM's customer assistance program, oh sorry I mean LACK OF A CUSTOMER SERVICE PROGRAM. Good luck to all DTS/GM vehicle owners - no wonder GM is experiencing financial difficulties. I'm ALL AMERICAN and my next vehicle will be FOREIGN - with no GM affiliation.
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