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#709 of 2335 Re: The Next Round of Redesigns [jchan2]
Aug 31, 2004 (1:56 pm)
Buick wants to move upscale, shedding its fuddy-duddy image to appeal to buyers who want a powerful, quiet, elegant, expertly crafted, and luxurious car priced under $30,000. In fact, Buick spokespeople have openly discussed their intention to take on Lexus head-to-head in the future. Serving as the first volley on this front is the 2005 Buick LaCrosse, an upscale midsize sedan that replaces the Century and Regal. Whether or not they’ve put the ball over the net remains to be seen.
Upon first inspection, the 2005 Buick LaCrosse is clearly a better vehicle than the Century or the Regal. However, we wonder how serious Buick can be about achieving its ultimate goal of competing with Lexus when the standard LaCrosse is equipped with an old-tech engine configuration, a four- rather than five-speed automatic transmission, express-down functionality for only the driver’s window and 16-inch steel wheels with composite wheelcovers. And get this: antilock brakes are standard only on the top trim level. On paper that sounds like a rental car special and nobody shopping a Lexus, let alone a Volkswagen Passat, wants a rental car special sitting in the driveway.
Aug 31, 2004 (3:38 pm)
The 2007 Buick RWD sedan on the Zeta platform will be the car that saves Buick. I have read that neither the LaCrosse nor the Lucerne (2006 LeSabre replacement) are anything special. If the RWD Buick sedan is a disappointment, then I think that Buick's future is in danger.
#711 of 2335 Hey mitchflorida
Aug 31, 2004 (7:42 pm)
I agree with you. If Buick does want to compete with Lexus then they better get their act together. What you mentioned above in your post is right on. I currently own a Regal GSE, and I am not the typical Buick buyer. I am 33 years old and I bought the car in 1999 when I was 28.
I don't think the LaCrosse will be on my list of cars when I start looking in a couple of years for the very reasons you stated, like ABS not standard across the board, only a four speed auto, and other things. It is a sad day at Buick when you can get a new Chevy Cobalt with ABS standard but it is an option on a Buick. Get real, Toyota/ Lexus is not even going to be worried about these new cars from Buick. Until someone at GM sees the light nothing is going to happen. At least Cadillac is starting to "get it".
#712 of 2335 Re: Ford 500 vs. Buick LaCrosse
Aug 31, 2004 (8:25 pm)
I ran numbers on a Ford 500 SE with the safety option (side impact air bags, canapy airbags, heated rearview mirrors), it was $23,590 list $21,658 dealer cost. The Buick LaCrosse CX with aluminum wheels, anti-lock brakes and the side impact airbags was $24,840 list, $22,751 dealer cost. The Ford has 17" alum. wheels instead of 16", a 21 cu. ft. trunk, a CVT transmission and 203 horsepower. Unless the Buick does bigger rebates, the Ford looks like the better deal. (And I am a GM fan.)
#713 of 2335 Buick LaCrosse vs Lexus ES330
Sep 01, 2004 (6:09 pm)
Mrs. Rogers and I are looking to replace her 1998 Regal LS with 99K miles. She is interested in both the LaCrosse and the Lexus ES330. Some people bad mouth the Buick for only having a four speed transaxle vs the Lexus five speed. If you look on the Edmunds Lexus ES330 board, there is a whole area devoted to transmission problems with the 2002 through 2005 Lexus ES five speed. I think a smooth four speed is preferable to an indecisive five speed. The Lexus dual overhead cams only yield about one mpg (29 vs 28 highway) over the Buick overhead valve design. To the best of my knowledge, Buick has never had the sludge problems that Lexus has had with their V-6. The LaCrosse is based on a Century, but the ES330 is based on a Camry so I don't see a big difference. The invoice of the CXL that my wife likes is only $25,346. The Lexus she likes has an invoice of $28,755. I am not sure that the Lexus is worth the extra money. Maybe a twenty four hour test drive of both cars will help us make a decision.
#714 of 2335 4/5-speed transmissions
Sep 03, 2004 (6:16 am)
Concerning the discussion of the LaCrosse having just a 4-speed transmission:
I'm a little confused about what constitutes a 4 or 5 speed transmission.
I owned a 1996 Regal, which was marketed as a 4-speed. It had 4 gears, then a torque-converter lockup position that gave it a fifth ratio -- you could feel it engage, and see the RPMs drop another 200 or so at 70 mph.
I now have an Accord, marketed as a 5-speed. But from what I have read, it's engineered the same as the Regal -- four gears, followed by a fifth "position," i.e., torque-converter lockup.
Two cars, two transmissions, both operating the same way, with one marketed as a four-speed, the other a five-speed. If the Accord can be called a five-speed, why not the new LaCrosse? (Assuming it will have four gears and a lockup position like the current Regal)
#716 of 2335 Bring on the Zeta
Sep 03, 2004 (5:43 pm)
The new Zeta platform sounds real cool. Buick needs a RWD car(s). I hope all these ideas come to fruition, but if they do, I don't have much faith in GM being able to properly execute a good car.
Sep 04, 2004 (8:03 pm)
Can't wait for the Lucerne - let's just hope it doesn't look like the LaCrosse! Buick really seems to be going through an identity crisis. :-\
Sep 05, 2004 (11:11 pm)
" Can't wait for the Lucerne - let's just hope it doesn't look like the LaCrosse! Buick really seems to be going through an identity crisis. :-\ "
Like Mercury was/is. Hopefully Buick can get its sales up so it doesn't slump down to Mercury's level and, even worse, Oldsmobiles level. But I'm guessing the future products Buick is offering will probably help it somewhat. Even the LaCrosse, even though it's not too groundbreaking, will get some buyers who want a comfortable American vehicle and could care less about all of the fancy features other cars have. I could see where this car would be perfect for my Grandparents who would probably want something simple they could use to drive to the store or their families' homes.
But only time will really tell what Buick's future will be like.