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Buick LaCrosse, Sedan
#685 of 2335 Re: They may have chased me away [bporter1]
Jul 24, 2004 (2:54 pm)
The same with me.
Comparing 2000 Regal GS vs. 2005 LaCrosse CXS:
- Radio/sound: MP3 will be available at last. The current 6 speakers is OK with me, but 9 will be nice, if not too expensive. Remote control on steering wheel was standard in 2000, will be optional in 2005. Satellite radio: not available in 200, optional for 2005. I do not need it at all.
- Driver information center adds compass in 2005. Nice to have, but would not miss it.
- Airbags: driver side was standard in 2000, will be optional in 2005. Passenger side airbags: were not available in 2000, will be available in 2005. Important safety improvement.
- Auto dimming mirrors, inside and left outside were standard in 2000. In 2005 the inside auto-dimming will be optional, while the driver-side auto-dimming will not be available even as option. Substantial change for the worse in safety department.
- Reading rear light was standard in 2000, will be optional in 2005. However, this is not important at all to me.
- OnStar was optional in 2000, will be bundled in 2005. Delete option not available for this trim. I do not like it so much that rather would remove or disconnect from power, if it is technically possible.
- Personalization through FOB. Radio settings, etc. Standard for 2005, not available for 2000. Nice to have feature. No personalization for driver seat/mirror adjustment, though. Fortunately, my wife and I do not need adjustment, except the inside mirror.
- Remote starting: was not available in 2000 (only aftermarket), optional in 2005. This is a nice feature in our climate.
- Rear parking assist. Not available for 2000 (except aftermarket), optional for 2005. Looks as a nice safety feature.
- Power driver lumbar: standard for 2005. Nice new feature.
- Temperature control on steering wheel optional for 2005. Nice new feature, especially given inconvenient buttons.
- Telescoping steering column. Not available in 2000, standard in 2005. Nice feature.
- Universal transmitter. Aftermarket only in 2000, optional for 2005. Do not need it at all.
- Chrome. For 2005 chrome door handles standard, optional chrome moldings, etc. Do not like it.
- Heated mirrors. Standard for 2000, optional for 2005.
- Wheels (and tires). 16" for 2000, 17" for 2005. I guess, it will improve handling in summer a bit, but worsening comfort and will worsening driveability in snow.
- Exhaust. Single for 2000, dual for 2005. I guess, it will cost $500 or more, and will not influence anything but appearance.
- StabiliTrack. Not available for 2000, optional for 2005. Great safety feature.
- Suspension. Looks like it is more sporty for 2005.
- Noise reducing. Was OK for 2000, looks as even better for 2005.
- Powertrain. 240 hp / 280 lb-ft torque for 2000, 240 hp / 233 ln-ft torque for 2005. Substantially reduced torque, none gain in power, vs. a bit better fuel economy, less expensive gas, and "more refined engine" whatever it means.
- Until year 2000 Regal had a performance shift mode. The nice feature was deleted in 2001, and still is not available in 2005.
In two years our son will turn 16, and we will need a third car. My wife and I were almost sure we will buy a Buick Regal / LaCrosse. We accumulated $2000 on our GM card toward the purchase. However, after learning better, we have very serious doubts concerning LaCrosse. It looks as a used Regal will serve us better.
Currently we have a 2000 Buick Regal GS and 98 Chevrolet Malibu. We are using Malibu mostly in town, like driving our son to school and buying groceries, and I am driving it to work. We are using Regal for most of longer, highway trips, and my wife is driving it to work.
We like our Regal very much. We especially like the power available for passing, and comfortable seats for long cruises. Looks as LaCrosse CXS will not be competitive vs. many modern cars, at least in power department.
The only serious shortcoming of Regal are air vents. Impossible to point airflow on driver's face, and hard to point it away from hands. It makes it somewhat uncomfortable to drive in summer heat, especially on trips longer than 1.5 hours. Need to wear long-sleeve shirt. Hard to be sure, but on pictures it looks as LaCrosse was not improved in this relation.
It is a bit unsafe to manage Regal radio and a/c when driving. A lot of buttons, which looks and feel alike. The driver needs to look on the buttons, not on the road. According to the picture, it will be the same with LaCrosse.
Jul 24, 2004 (6:59 pm)
I wholeheartedly agree with what you mentioned in the above post. Some things that will be available on the LaCrosse are nice but other things that are optional or not available, were standard or optional on the earlier Regal's. Maybe in a couple of years when I will be in the market for a new car, the LaCrosse will be in a better position to compete for my dollars.
Jul 25, 2004 (4:34 am)
GM did this same decontenting with the Impala. I own a 2000 LS with 164,000+ miles.
Little things like taking off the lit PRNDL indicator and deleting change holders make me wonder what they did to the important stuff I CAN'T see--as in durability.
I am almost certain I shall be buying a Ford Five Hundred when they come out. I sometimes lapse into thinking I might consider a GM product, and the ONLY that even remotely interested me was the LaCrosse.
Thanks, yurakm, for a great post and one that reminded me that I really don't need to be considering it. It will make my life easier and more sedate as I order a Five Hundred or Mercury Montego.
I WANT to drive a GM. I do NOT want their cheap decontenting tricks, or to play the HUGE price, HUGE incentive game any more.
I'm not naive enough to think Ford does not do the same thing (look at the changes they have made in the Vic/GM in recent years), but it doesn't seem to be to the same degree.
And the Avalon (and Lexi) bores me...I loved my old Maxima back in 92, but the new one is not a style I want to be seen in! The Altima would be fine but for its interior.
#688 of 2335 Re: [johnclineii]
Jul 25, 2004 (3:10 pm)
What exactly are the feature/dynamic advantages that you feel the Five Hundred will have over the LaCrosse?
Jul 25, 2004 (3:14 pm)
We can start with AWD. NOT available on the LaCrosse, but OTOH, the Buick will have stability control available, right?
I also suspect there will be at least a five thousand dollar cost difference in favor of the Ford when comparably equipped.
The Buick is available with a much larger and more powerful engine, the Ford has a much larger back seat and trunk.
And from what I have seen so far, the interior of the Ford is far superior to that of the LaCrosse.
A test drive will confirm (or change) most of this. For the Ford, that will be August 14 for me. For the Buick, I have no idea when.
Lastly, the Ford dealers in my area are FAR superior in both sales and service to the very few Buick dealers hereabouts.
#690 of 2335 fair enough
Jul 25, 2004 (3:18 pm)
"I also suspect there will be at least a five thousand dollar cost difference in favor of the Ford when comparably equipped."
What is that based on? Some kind of press release? If so, valid point, if not, well.. it would seem you're making things up.
"And from what I have seen so far, the interior of the Ford is far superior to that of the LaCrosse." Thats only based on pictures, and subject to interpretation; they look similar in materials quality and I prefer the arrangement/design of the LaCrosse.
Personally, I would never buy one car over another based on dealership treatment (Id rather have the car I feel best for my money, regardless), but if Ford's treatment is a plus for you, I can accept that.
Jul 25, 2004 (3:24 pm)
I have SEEN, in person, the interior of the Ford Five Hundred. It was far superior to the pictures of the LaCrosse I have seen.
The pricing info is from news articles in the media, including Automotive News. Buick is aiming at Lexus, they say so themselves.
Regardless, pricing for either car has not been publicly released, nor possibly even totally determined....
Also, the service reputations of the Ford vs. Buick dealers in my area are well known. There is at least one reason that Ford far outsells GM in this area. Service is probably near the top of that list.
#692 of 2335 Decontenting
Jul 25, 2004 (7:27 pm)
As far as decontenting is concerned, the Japanese have been doing it for years, but they don't skimp on safety features. That was my only arguement. If GM wants to be a leader in sales then they have to act like it, and stop putting out product that is just "good enough" and not better than the competition in the first place.
Jul 26, 2004 (3:12 pm)
The radio on the 500 is from the Ford parts bin. Not my cup of tea
Jul 26, 2004 (4:34 pm)
"The radio on the 500 is from the Ford parts bin. Not my cup of tea"
Hmm...now why would they do that? Maybe because it's a Ford???