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Buick LaCrosse, Sedan
#1694 of 2335 buick quality
Jun 04, 2005 (3:18 pm)
I have owned many buicks over the years,going back to my first car ,a 1965 buick special.All of them gave me many years of mostly problem free service.I currently own a 1991 regal with almost 150k on it and a1995 regal with 135k.I also just bought a 2005 accord.The reason I went with the accord was not reservations about buick quality ,but rather I felt for the money on the base lacrosse, ABS and side airbags should have been standard and it should have come with the new engine of the CXS.It's not that the 3800 was'nt a great engine( i still own 2 regals) but on brand new model,the new design should have been used.
#1695 of 2335 Re: buick quality [pat565]
Jun 04, 2005 (3:40 pm)
I can understand your decision Pat. The car is priced oddly for the equipment available and the new engine should be available in something other than the top-line model. Hope you didn't end up with a 4-banger cocktail shaker Accord though...
#1696 of 2335 venus by vanman1
Jun 05, 2005 (5:58 am)
"In the end, I am not sure why you post here as you have no interest in the LaCrosse. Constructive posts would certainly be more appreciated. "
Well put and I fully agree. Why anyone posts to a site for a car they have no interest or desire for, and only to talk up and promote other vehicles is rather interesting. Having recently traded an Acura TL in for a CXS, and having followed the TL site, most posts were from owners who spoke of their ownership experience with the car, both positives and negatives. Some were happy with their decision, others were not, and if not, expressed their desire that their next purchase would be another make. The common thread was that their interest in the brand was from their ownership experience, or in their interest to pursue information about the car to help determine if they want to buy one. I did not recall any GM owners however, consistently posting in the TL site about lack of quality in Acura cars. And if anyone checks the problems and issues section of the TL board, one will find they have their share of issues.
#1697 of 2335 Re: buick quality [pat565]
Jun 05, 2005 (6:15 am)
Do you think that with employee discount pricing the price is more in line with the Accord you bought? How about the CXS, which would have the engine you wanted? A base CXS, which includes ABS would be under $25,000. Need to add $395 for curtains though. The base CX is under $20k. Unbelievable deal. They must really want to close out their inventory.
GM has been talking about making there cars more value priced. I would forsee a price drop for '06 on all their models with prices closer to the employee discount, with incentives used a bit more rarely or less $$.
#1698 of 2335 Why anyone posts here
Jun 05, 2005 (7:01 am)
is not he subject of our conversation.
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#1699 of 2335 Re: venus by vanman1 [jmw4]
Jun 05, 2005 (9:05 am)
Could you tell me about your opinion on the TL vs CXS?
I found the TL in my comparison drive to have an unacceptable ride for Michigan roads. Really bad ride. Seemed to handle well but I could not put it thru a good road course. Of all the midsize vehicles out there I put the TL at the top for my kind of styling. A bit sporty but not overdone like the 300M. Hey maybe that would be a good thread to start?
Interesting that the Acura site gives a slight advantage in comparably equipped price to CXS. The CXS comes up short on rear HVAC controls, seat memory, cassette, side seat airbags, HID's, memory mirrors, 30 hp, 235 tires, 5 speed, (they are incorrect on the other items I believe) so it would seem that if you go by MSRP Acura would have the win. I wonder if there are any other items not available on the TL that are on the CXS like the rear backup sensors and folding rear seat backs that they forgot to mention? Does the TL have tilt and tele steering column? The TL also has a much smaller trunk and a little smaller interior and quite a bit smaller rear seat area.
If you look at the latest pricing though there is quite a price advantage to the buick.
#1701 of 2335 Car and Driver
Jun 05, 2005 (12:41 pm)
Has anyone seen the new Car and Driver, they did a 6 car comparo of family sedans, and the CXS placed 5th of 6. It was the third fastest behind the Maxima and Avalon, going 0-60 in 7 seconds flat. It was also the most expensive (rebates not included). Overall, they were not particularly impressed. Other competitors were the 500, 300, and Amanti. The Amanti was the only car the CXS beat in the ratings. The Avalon won the comparo, followed by the Chrysler. Interestingly, one of the strikes against the CXS was the rear seat being the smallest, not very Buick-like in my opinion.
#1702 of 2335 Re: Car and Driver [drwilsc]
Jun 05, 2005 (1:13 pm)
Yea, with the new employee pricing the same car would have been about $28,000 as tested just above the cheaper 500 and below the Kia. Another reason for GM to drop the pricing to a reasonable level and scrap the huge incentives. Screws up comparisons unless they really look at actual sale prices. Base CXS is less than $25K!!!
I am a bit confused about the rear seat comfort. I spent hours in the backseat with two in the backseat. Very comfortable. Problem, as they stated, is that the sporty coupe like roofline crowds the head laterally. With the normal two in the back it is great.
I did a quick rear seat dimensional comparison. The LaCrosse is very competitive with the Kia and Altima that it competes with and they are all within an inch one way or the other. The larger 500, 300 and Avalon were more roomy but not by a whole heck of a lot. Shoulder room, which is closest dimension listed to lateral head room ranged from 56.0 to 58.2 with the Avalon the widest and Altima the skinniest. The LaCrosse was in the midd pack.
I really do not think that the LaCrosse or the others are meant to compete with the Avalon. Would like to have seen the Accord, Camry or maybe even an ES300 for a stretch target.
Jun 05, 2005 (5:44 pm)
I didn't think the back seat of the car was particularly small. It's not huge, but it was fine. On a numbers base, it's about the same as the Accord.