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You are in the Buick LaCrosse
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Buick LaCrosse, Sedan
May 23, 2005 (4:56 am)
To be honest I do not know much about the Malibu. Have not really looked at them since they are not in a segment I was interested in. Just saw the awards.
Does anyone know when either Consumer Reports or Consumer Guide will have a report on the LaCrosse?
Why was this car compared against the full size cars at Edmunds? That is the Lucerne I see they marked it down primarily due to rear seat room (midsize vs. large? and ride/handling (most buyers and respondents seem to like the CXS that I have read) )
I guess we could also go through the comments from others that use Edmunds.
May 23, 2005 (9:23 am)
I am somewhat confused by your postings with respect to your use of the word "quality". Namely, you appear to be using quality in a way very different that JDPowers uses that word. In the JDPower survey, they are simply using the word quality to describe the lack of defects. They are not saying anything about how solid a door feels, how luxurious the plastic dashboard looks, etc. As far as I can tell, you are including many other aspects of a car in your definition of quality. Thus, you and JDPower are looking at 2 completely different things.
In terms of the survey for quality and reliability, the JDPower and Consumer Reports (CR) survey are similar, except the JDPower survey is much more detailed. Both simply ask the owners of the vehhicle if there have been any problems over the specified time period.
Finally, in theory, the CR approach to rating cars is wonderful, except it is as biased as any other human-based approach for evaluating subjective phenomenon. Presumably, the members of the ratings panel own cars, and they bought those cars based on their own biases as to what they percieve as best. These biases will also exist when they rate other cars. Thus, I think that the bottom line is that you need to test drive the various cars yourself and decide which car you like the most. In this way, you correct for you own specific biases. (If one wanted a purely un-biased report, one would only use quantifiable, empirical measurements - 0-60, 0-35, 40-60, etc. for accelaration, measure actual decibels under various situations for how quiet the car actually is, etc.) For example, one of the cars we looked at when we were considering mid-size vehicles was the Toyota Prius, largely based on its extremely high gas mileage and very positive CR review. I won't go into details of my experience in the car since they are posted elsewhere on this site, but let's just say that I think that Toyota would be more honest if they renamed the car "Yugo II". My biases (i.e., what I want out of a car) are clearly very different that the biases of the CR panel.
May 23, 2005 (5:05 pm)
"the lacrosse is ridiculously out classed by cars such as the TL and G35 at the high end and it doesn't match the accord with its entry model. there's nothing special about its interior quality. the trunk still shuts with a cheap sound. you guys/gals see something i don't see with this car".
The problem again is apples and oranges. On the low end LaCrosse has a V6 and Camcords have 4 bangers. On the high end you are comparing entry level luxury to to a high end sedan. One could say the same comparing a top of the line Accord to the CTS.
Even so.. with a potent 240hp 3.6L under the hood, I would hardly say its "ridiculously outclassed". I'll bet the 0-60 times and handling numbers aren't all that far apart.
#1654 of 2335 Re: Venus [vanman1]
May 23, 2005 (5:20 pm)
Truly low end Accords and Camrys don't cost nearly as much as even a base LaCrosse.
You would have to at least compare a low end LaCrosse with an Accord LX V6 or a Camry LE V6 with few options.
#1655 of 2335 Re: Venus [307web]
May 23, 2005 (6:31 pm)
We have gone thru this before. Content is not the same and you need to add and subtract content but
LE V6 - $23070
XLE L4 - $23085
XLE V6 - $26095
CX V6 - $23495
If you look at the low end the V6 CX is competitive with the cloth XLE w/ L4 or LE w/ V6. That is what it was priced against.
At the high end the CXS is a bit more expensive than a comparably equipped V6 Camry with Leather but the CXS is targeted somewhere between the Camry and ES330 at that level.
If what GM is saying is true there will be a pricing adjustment downward to increase volume.
May 24, 2005 (4:57 am)
This is why I keep saying people are trying to directly compare apples to oranges. The Camcords are easily compared to one another because Honda and Toyota build them in a more similar way. The are no LaCrosse 4 bangers so on the low end, the LaCrosse actually looks cheap.
I do wish the 3.6L was the V6 on the CXL though. That said, the LaCrosse seems to be selling well now just the way it is and ABS will be standard on 06's.
#1657 of 2335 Re: Venus [62vetteefp]
May 24, 2005 (6:36 am)
What are the incentives on LaCrosse now? How much bargaining beyond that is occurring and reducing the price?
For the Toyota they probably are still adding a $295 fee for letting you buy the car and aren't negotiating below MSRP by much. Any incentives?
All that and they probably are still acting like they're doing you a favor by letting you buy a car from them. After all no other car could get you from point A to B like their Toyota or Toyota Lexus can. That's the attitude I've always run into in their showrooms.
May 25, 2005 (4:44 am)
GM needs to get this out to the masses better. I know too many people who would always say Toyota is #1.