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#933 of 1099 Re: Why no two-way advanced remote start for '11 Denali? [Mr_Shiftright]
May 09, 2011 (6:44 pm)
I'd be less bent out of shape if the option had actually been dropped, for whatever reason they choose. It's available on all the '11 Tahoe's and '11 Yukon's....just not a Yukon Denali or Hybrid. GM probably sells 20 Tahoe's for every Denali, so low sales volume isn't the answer. If it were dangerous, illegal, unethical or just plain sold poorly, then they wouldn't be offering it on a new Tahoe.
As I started walking out of the plant today toward my Denali, I was about 100 yards away. I kept walking towards it and repeatedly pushing the lock button. When I got within about 50 feet, it finally received the signal. That was absolutely no surprise since that's the average range of a factory fob, but honestly now, what purpose does it serve to start the vehicle from that distance? It means you can start it in your garage from inside the house, but that's about it. My '06 Buick had factory remote start and it behaved the exactly the same, which is why I put in an aftermarket long range remote start in that too....and my '98 Expedition as well.
When it's -10 outside, and it's been sitting out in the parking lot at work all day, it's actually very beneficial to let it warm up a bit before you drop it in gear. I know you get condensation, but I can tell you for a fact and after 10 years of using long range remote starters, there's a stark difference in performance & behavior if they warm up for 5-10 minutes when it's that cold outside. On the few days where the high is below zero, I'd go to the window at lunch, start my vehicle and let it idle through one cycle to help keep the internals marginally warmed up.
It just plain irks me to no end that I pay $10k more for the high end model and got fewer options. It already has factory remote start. It takes so little to add a couple hundred yards range. The extended range remote from GM is a fob purchase only - ALL the electronics are already there. You buy the fob, the dealer recodes the computer and it's done.....unless you bought a Denali.
The '06 Buick was an easy retrofit. It already had factory remote start, so I installed an ExpressKit which only took wires - 12V, GND, and then you solder the 3rd wire to the LAN wire on the dataport. The Expresskit injected the commands on the internal LAN, and the Buick thought it was talking to a factory fob. Instant 1/4 mile range and 2-way communication. But gee.....ExpressKit doesn't offer one for '11 Yukon/Tahoe BECAUSE THERE'S A CHEAPER FACTORY EQUIVALENT.....and I'm sure they're not going to be interested in marketing it only to Denali and Hybrid owners.
I can't help it if I think it's inane to have all the capability wired and packaged into the truck....just not the ability to access it.
#934 of 1099 Re: Why no two-way advanced remote start for '11 Denali? [bookm_danno]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 09, 2011 (7:15 pm)
My cars lived outside for 20 winters in Anchorage and I drove them forever without letting them idle excessively. Even using a block heater for an hour or two, you're just warming up the engine a bit; idling does little for the transmission or anything else. Better just to get in and drive off (slowly) for the first mile.
But enough of why I don't like them and back to your original question.
It is curious that GM's website shows a "Remote vehicle starter system" standard on the Yukon Denali. You'd think that if dropping this feature was documented, an easy to change webpage would be the first place to start.
Ordinarily I'd say follow the money, but why decontent the higher trim level first? It's curious.
#935 of 1099 Re: Why no two-way advanced remote start for '11 Denali? [steve_]
May 10, 2011 (1:26 pm)
Agreed. I got by fine for 20 years without keyless, electronic ignition and all the other goodies too. But once ya have keyless, it's hard to go back to not having it. Once ya have remote start, it's hard to do without....and once ya have 2-way transceiver remote, it's hard to go back to a factory fob that only works from 10-50 feet and can't give you any status feedback.
You have to really read the fine print to figure out the 2-way is simply not available on the Denali. Worse yet, some websites incorrectly list it as available - probably a left over from the 2010 model. The dealers don't know it's not available either until they try to look it up.
The 2-ways take more juice to operate, so you have to change the AAA battery once or twice a year. The standard fob battery lasts years, so I'm thinking maybe the average guy can't change the fob battery without breaking things or find it annoying.
The 2-way transceivers have other advantages too. The signal is so strong that they rarely ever not communicate. No more click, click, click just trying to get it to unlock. They beep/buzz to let you know the car got the signal. They display lock/door status so you see on the remote if it's locked or doors are open. Couldn't find the keys a few times and you can push a button in the car and remote will beep for 20 seconds to help find it.
Like I said, I was all ready to sign the papers and everything, and not until then did the dealer figure out he couldn't put one in. The official GM Accessory website has a number of the 2-way remotes for various models with/without power hatch, with/without factory remote start, etc., but it isn't until you've looked at them all do you find out there simply isn't a model for the Denali. But there was for 2010 Denali - because I printed out the webpage from the 2010 model year. It's simply not there now. But the models are there for the Tahoe, and the dealer confirmed he could put one in a base 2011 Yukon. Also, if you do a Build Your Vehicle, it shows up as an option for base 2011 Yukon - or at least it did. GMC recently totally revamped their website. I'm just fried because I do my homework and from what I could tell, I had my ducks in a row.
Even with all the web trolling I've done for the last 12 months, I never came across anything about the new GM dexos 1 oil spec either. The dealer didn't say anything about it, but it's required for ALL 2011 GM vehicles. Fill the crank with mineral based oil and you just voided your warranty. I came across that little ditty when I went to look up the oil capacity in the owner's manual to see my quarts I needed for the first change. You'd think they'd have a tag on the dipstick or filler cap or something like that to make sure the owner was aware of it. What are the odds that the $8/hour kid at the quickie lube place knows about it?
I knew GM had quietly dropped the heated washer fluid option after several cars caught fire. The company that made the system is in bankruptcy due to lawsuits over it.
I just want to know exactly what's different about the Denali and specifically between the 2010 and 2011 Denali that makes the 2-way transceiver not available. My due diligence shows no difference in the Nav unit or other electronics that could account for it. OnStar had a tweak to allow more web based operations. Zero changes to the motor and tranny.
I'm never going to find out why. I'm just going to have to move on and go with aftermarket if I want it bad enough. I passed up 2010 Denali I found just because it wasn't the color I wanted, and it already had 2-way installed. Should've heard the salesman yelp when I wouldn't sign after telling me he couldn't put one in. Took a closer look at the 2010 the next day and decided that the color I wanted was more important than the 2-way.
It's just really disappointing when you know what you want....find exactly what you're after, and then at the very last second you discover you've been blindsided. Dealer saw a $60k deal circling the drain and had the service manager make calls most of a day trying to sort it out. Couldn't put it in, couldn't get an answer why either. Embarrassing for the dealer too, because they'd put them in other Yukon's - totally unaware about the 2011 Denali/Hybrid exclusion.
So between the 2-way remote, and now the 3rd seat that doesn't latch correctly and the sunroof cover that's jammed shut, it's just left a bad taste in my mouth. I had my 30 years in last year and the new Yukon was supposed to be my one-time treat to myself, but the markets/economy had tanked so I had to wait till now.
#936 of 1099 Re: Why no two-way advanced remote start for '11 Denali? [bookm_danno]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
May 10, 2011 (3:40 pm)
Next you'll be telling me I can't live without power windows (and you'd be right ).
Maybe check out an Escalade?
#937 of 1099 Re: Why no two-way advanced remote start for '11 Denali? [steve_]
May 10, 2011 (4:29 pm)
The Denali IS a poor man's Escalade. Same motor & suspension, sans the $10k badge. Still, money no object, I do like the looks of the caddy. Had to sell my '98 Expedition and trade the '06 Buick to make the deal as it was. I thought the button count was too high on the Expy back in '98. Had reliability concerns back then with all it came with, but the Expy turned out to be the best I've ever owned - no rust, no drips, no rattles in 100k miles. Very few repairs....so you never can tell.
So far, 15.7 mpg worst, 17.9 mpg best with the Denali - it's not great by any standards, but that's pretty impressive for 6.2L, no matter how you slice that onion. I've driven 460's and 454's under the hood, and they'd be no match for this thing, not to mention twice the mileage or more, so progress has been made. I was hoping/counting on at least a consistent 14mpg combined, so I think it'll meet that expectation at least.
#938 of 1099 Re: Why no two-way advanced remote start for '11 Denali? [bookm_danno]
by MrShift@Edmunds HOST
May 11, 2011 (7:21 am)
Escalade has a way worse reputation though, for some reason.
#939 of 1099 2002 Yukon Denali
May 16, 2011 (5:09 am)
can someone please help me out it seems like my yukon is falling apart it has 150k on it 2002 yukon Ok so i was having a issue with my heat it seems like it would stay hot for a minute then become warm for some reason and this would happen quite often so now its getting warmer out and my air was working just fine all winter because i would test it now it seems like neither my heat wants to get hot enough or my air doesnt get cold enough not sure if this is my compressor or i have been hearing something about climate control does anyone have any ideas?
#940 of 1099 Re: Why no two-way advanced remote start for '11 Denali? [bookm_danno]
May 20, 2011 (5:08 am)
Unfortunately, I do not have information available as to why this option is not available.
Caron, GM Customer Service
#942 of 1099 2002 Denali - Loud Clunking Noise
Jun 07, 2011 (6:47 am)
I have a 2002 Denali. I have replaced the transmission at a cost of $3,000, so assuming this isn't a transmission problem. The truck drives fine most of the time when I drive short distances. As soon as I drive for 20 minutes or longer and the car is "hot", when I have to make a hard left hand turn, there is a horrible clunking, grinding noise..sounds like the tire is falling off. This only happens after the truck has been driven longer distances.
I took the truck into JAWS in Sacramento and they supposedly worked on the front differential for $800.00...didn't resolve the problem at all. Appears to have been a waste of money.
The problem seems to relate to the steering? Is it the transfer case possibly? About ready to turn it into Carmax and never buy an American made car again!