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#71 of 4893 Just saw a BUNCH of the 300c and Magnums on a Trailer by shulaj Nov 08, 2003 (6:17 am)
Was on the HWY 401 near London heading down to Windsor or the USA. The nameplates were all taped up, but it was on an open trailer. They looked like they had massive chrome rims....at least 18". Anyhow, the wagon was red. Nice.
#72 of 4893 300M - Here is reality - and My opinion of course.. by shulaj Nov 08, 2003 (6:44 am)
I was 34 when I bought my White 300M. People said "nice car"...and it was. But if you like that car for anything else but looks...you must never have driven an Audi A6 4.2 Or a good Mercedes? Sure it was a great looking car, but fake wood can look like wood....but IT IS NOT WOOD.   I owned it for 12 months...and I loved it...for the looks, but it was terrible to drive. Too much road noise reverberating through the cabin. I was a JOKE car, just an Intrepid with a more powerful jnk engine, with a dumb excuse for a slap-stick.   I honestly brought it back to the dealership and PAID $1000 to get out of the lease. And I TOLD THEM it was a crap "drivers" car.   There was zero quality problems, but you cannot make a world class car or a great handling car with parts that are not engineered to be world class. That 300M wasn't, and the 300C hopefully will be much better. However, since that time I also bought a Jeep Liberty (which is great for the $$) and a Jeep Grand (which is the biggest pile of crap I've ever owned), so I think I am completely finished forever with Chrysler crap. I WOULD buy a Mercedes though.
#73 of 4893 shulaj by ruski Nov 09, 2003 (8:01 am)
whatever   most reviews were very pleased with 300M's handling capabilities.
#74 of 4893 shulaj by jediknight2b Nov 09, 2003 (10:39 am)
So the Liberty is better than the Grand? The Liberty is a poor excuse of a replacement for the Cherokee, which it was to replace. Jeep, other than its Wrangler is moving away from true off road capable vehicles in favor of plusher street 4x4's. I find this to be the fault of DC as the only off roader they have ever made that was worth its salt was the UniMog. And you "think" the C will be better than the M even though you have nothing to base that on other than your own personal bias and preceptions? Is the C going to be better cause the Gremans got their hands in the making of it? So far that has not been shown to be true with the Crossfire. I think my M is a fine car, it handles nicely, gets up and moves when I need it to, it has given me 70K trouble free miles in just shy of 3 years. I'm on my third set of tires, second set of rotors, one tranny filter fluid change and nothing more than normal oil changes. My In-Laws have owned a few benz's and they spent more time in the shop than on the road, it was always something wrong or it needed maintenance. My Mother-in-law now drives a luxo/phg 300M and my father-in-law a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Both could not be happier.
#75 of 4893 shulaj by b4z Nov 09, 2003 (12:56 pm)
Great review from someone who actually owned one. I heard several people say it felt more like a large Dodge Neon than the flagship of the corporation.   Road noise is something Chrysler has dropped the ball on. The first LH cars were awful. GM did this when the Wbody cars were introduced in '97. In 2001 the entire mid size line got additional fender liners to help ameliorate it.
#76 of 4893 by ottowrkr Nov 09, 2003 (9:45 pm)
shulaj - those cars were on there way to CTC( chrysler tech center )in Detroit for evaluation .They are the first batch of cars 3-4 a day being built at the Brampton plant.
#77 of 4893 b4z by ruski Nov 10, 2003 (6:48 pm)
there is a lot of distance to go between a Neon and a 300M.
#78 of 4893 300C Missing from Auto Show - but got a price guess by bmorisette Nov 10, 2003 (8:29 pm)
Hi rusty, thanks for the info on the 'missing' 300C. I found out too late though, the rest of the auto show was enjoyable though. The Chrysler area had the Crossfire up on a platform and I talked to the woman giving the presentation and she said she was orignally called in to do the presentation on the 300C but it was changed last minute to be the Crossfire. She didn't know why it was pulled but when I asked about price, rather than dodge the question, she answered right away, "low 40's and about 5G more for the hemi model" but that they had to wait for production to start before they could be firm on that range.   I'm kind of worried about that price range. I don't know of anyone who would shell out 40G for a Chrysler with a 2.7L engine. It just seems ridiculous to offer this car with a 2.7L, 3.5L and 5.7L engine. I hope DC just ditches the 2.7L and offers the base in the 3.5L with the 5.7L as this years upgrade and the 6.1L that was alluded to in earlier posts in the '06 model year. I think that would really satsify their target market.
#79 of 4893 Chrysler should be worried..... by andys120 Nov 10, 2003 (8:34 pm)
at those prices you could probably get a CPO E-class.
#80 of 4893 40K could kill it by b4z Nov 11, 2003 (3:22 am)
Most Cadillac CTSs have a MSRP under the 35-37K range. There are very few that are in the 41-43K range. Once you go over 40K ther is much more and better competition. Chrysler needs to price it around 35-36K base with options on top. Hemi shouldn't cost 5K more. Engine is probably cheaper to produce than the 3.5 SOHC motor.

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