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#538 of 4893 shipo by qbrozen Feb 24, 2004 (11:40 am)
true enough.   but AWD is not ONLY good for accelerating faster in slippery conditions. It is also quite good at getting over that hill of ice and snow the plows leave at the bottom of my driveway as well as getting up an icey or snowy hill. This is something I'm faced with every snowstorm and have no problem getting my wife's AWD up and down our driveway while my FWD is stuck at the bottom until I shovel and salt.
#539 of 4893 QBrozen by shipo Feb 24, 2004 (11:47 am)
"This is something I'm faced with every snowstorm and have no problem getting my wife's AWD up and down our driveway while my FWD is stuck at the bottom until I shovel and salt."   Try taking your FWD up the driveway in reverse, you might be surprised.   Best Regards, Shipo
#540 of 4893 LOL by qbrozen Feb 24, 2004 (11:49 am)
yeah, the surprise will be when I bury my tailpipe through the snowbank and into the pavement.
#541 of 4893 Looks by peder59 Feb 24, 2004 (11:52 am)
Some people will like the looks for the 300, some will not. When we pass a car that I like, I ask my wife whether she likes it. Often she will mention, that it is too round, or too square.   Personally, I believe that the 300 looks great. It shows "attitude", something that most cars don't these days. They all have to be mainstream.   I think that Chrysler has made a bold move, and I think they will be rewarded. I am 6'5", and basically have to buy a BMW745 or a MB S430-500 to find a sedan that I sit comfortably in. I can now buy a 300C with most options for less than half of what I would otherwise have to pay. All I am waiting for is to locate a model, try to see if my big corpus can fit, and then place the order.   Unlike South California where the 300 has been spotted, here in the San Francisco bay area, the dealers I have spoken with know less about this car than I do from reading all these good message exchanges. Quite incredible poor marketing job for a manufacturer that wants to turn losses into profits, and they have a product that will help them.   peder59
#542 of 4893 Don't bury your tailpipe into a snowbank by pat HOST Feb 24, 2004 (12:02 pm)
or pavement or anything else. Or if you do, turn off your car immediately ... deadly carbon monoxide builds up so quickly ...
#544 of 4893 shipo by tornado25 Feb 24, 2004 (2:26 pm)
"Because standard differentials send power to the wheel with the least resistance. In that scenario, Traction Control uses the brakes on the spinning wheel to cause it to have enough resistance for the differential to shift power to the wheel on dry pavement."   Ah. Ok, thank you. That makes sense and I understand. I guess even with that in mind, it's still not totally useful here in WI, where roads are typically totally ice/snow covered or once plowed/treated, totally dry. A few weeks ago, we received significant snow during relatively cold weather, so even after decent plowing, only heavily travelled streets were "clean". On any other street, neither traction control or stability control would have helped in the most difficult situation--launch from a stop sign. AWD is the best in that situation to create the momentum needed.
#545 of 4893 Tornado25 by shipo Feb 24, 2004 (3:04 pm)
Okay, fair enough. That's where the third element of winter driving comes in. Winter tires, which should not ever be confused with the things that I grew up with in Michigan back in the 1960s. Modern winter tires are an absolute marvel and have to be experienced to be believed.   Over on the BMW boards, I had been one of the proponents of not ordering the "Sport Package" in favor of the standard setup which included wheels shod with All-Season tires. Driving around in New Jersey, where I lived at the time, seemed to prove out my arguments. Then I ordered a 530i with the Sport Package and at the same time moved to New Hampshire. Probably not too smart.   Once in New Hampshire, I quickly realized that while the All-Seasons certainly had an advantage over the summer performance tires on my 530i, they were still no match for the 114 inches of snow we had up here last winter. Initially I only put the Arctic-Alpin tires on the 530i and was so stunned at the difference in the performance that I ordered the same tires for my wife's car, and when we bought a third last summer, winter tires for that one as well. FWIW, I also went to the boards where I had been such a proponent of All-Season tires and posted a retraction. Needless to say, I caught a fair amount of flack and good natured teasing for that.   The following is no exaggeration:   Between 25-Dec-2002 and 8-Jan-2003, we had nearly 50 inches of snow and ice fall around here. During one of the 18" falls, the forecast changed and was then predicting significant accumulations of ice and wide spread power outages. I figured I had better get another 5 gallons of gas for my generator and headed out in the 530i with an easy 14" having already fallen and a heavily rutted 6-8 inches on the main road, which by the way is very hilly and winding.   The first thing that I saw upon turning toward the gas station was a police car off the road in a ditch at the bottom of a hill and a dozen or so cars attempting to climb said hill, getting nowhere fast. I just pulled over into the left lane and drove right on up that hill as sedately as if I was on dry pavement. My car with those winter tires was so composed that after a mile or so, I reeled in a conga line of 4WD truck and Suburban type vehicles, which I had to slow down for. :-/   Based upon the tests of a couple of years ago in the car magazine that I read, the only thing that beats a RWD car shod with winter tires is an AWD car shod in the same way.   Best Regards, Shipo

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