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Re: FWIW [nvbanker]
by shipo
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Apr 14, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Apr 14, 2008 9:49 am)
"...but you can feel the Mercedes inspiration in the car - and that will be gone now..."
I'm not quiet sure why you think it'll be gone, after all, Daimler still owns about 20% of Chrysler.
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: FWIW [nvbanker]
by xtec
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Apr 14, 2008 (2:50 pm)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Apr 14, 2008 9:49 am)
Chrysler and Mercedes are still working together.the Next gen Chryslers will have a powertrain design by both Chrysler and Mercedes.I think Chrysler has one of the better cars out there,but got a bad rap years ago that wont go away.I've ben driving Chryslers products for 38 years,and hope to keep buying them,till I can't drive.I have a 06 Charger SXT,and a 08 Jeep Liberty,and love both products.
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Re: FWIW [xtec]
by smithed
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Apr 14, 2008 (5:33 pm)
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Replying to: xtec (Apr 14, 2008 2:50 pm)
Chrysler was making fine vehicles before the merger with Daimler, during it, and since the partial separation, too.
4 Owned by me now: 1. 99 Intrepid with 130,000 miles. (Great 3.2 L 24 valve V6 engine and 4 speed autostick, I like that tranny's mode of function better than the Mercedes designed 5 speed in my:
2. 2006 300C (admittedly the most pleasant to drive and runs fast) and in 3. 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
Both of the Mercedes designed trannys had the leak from the 13 pin plug that inserts into it. Fixed under warranty.
I'm not sure what 4 speed auto is in my 4. 2001 Cherokee (125,000 miles), but I know it has the 4 liter AMC straight six. Another great, if antique, engine. 
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Re: FWIW [shipo]
by nvbanker
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Apr 16, 2008 (8:22 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 14, 2008 9:53 am)
I may be wrong - just making an assumption that the non-car company who owns Chrysler now will bleed the company for all they can, then sell off the body parts. The 20% stake Mercedes held onto was just to make the deal work, like an owner carry-back sort of - not a statement of future investment intentions. Hope I'm in error, but I haven't seen anything new since the sale - just noticed several models have been cut from the lineup.
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Nybanker
by hayneldan
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Apr 17, 2008 (7:45 pm)
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You never heard of the Dodge Journey?
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Re: Nybanker [hayneldan]
by tedebear
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Apr 17, 2008 (8:25 pm)
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Replying to: hayneldan (Apr 17, 2008 7:45 pm)
Exactly. Someone hasn't been looking if they haven't seen any new products come from Chrysler since the new owners took over.
There's the Dodge Journey, the new Dodge Challenger and a new generation Viper. The new generation Chrysler and Dodge RT minivans are night and day compared to their predecessors. A new Ram truck, that was introduced at the Detroit auto show, is due out in the fall.
The Chrysler Aspen and Dodge Durango hybrid-powered vehicles will appear this fall. The vehicles will share the exclusive two-mode hybrid system that Chrysler developed in conjunction with Daimler AG, General Motors Corp. and BMW AG. The system will provide a more than 25 percent overall fuel economy improvement for those vehicles—and nearly 40 percent improvement in city driving.
"Within the next few years, we will offer mild-hybrid technology on other Chrysler vehicles,” Nardelli said.
Several models are being discontinued, in part because they were actually competing against each other. Dealerships are being consolidated to offer the full line of Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep products at every location.
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bias
by smithed
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Apr 18, 2008 (4:45 am)
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Somehow there is immediate bias to lump everything that Chrysler has done wrong and therefore everything they have done is considered wrong. All the manufacturers make mistakes, every single one. And all have had hits. For Chrysler the hits have been the minivans, 300, Ram, nearly all the Jeeps and there may be others. Where they haven't been able to come up with is in competition to Accord/Camry/Altima. I suspect that a Sebring or Avenger is as good a car as those, but there is immediate bias toward the Camcords. My family owns a 2004 Accord. It is nice enough, but even it has had recalls and problems (more than my Intrepid, 300 or Grand Cherokee).
Journey has been getting good reviews and folks love those minivans. I think the minivan will come back to replace the SUV as the family car of choice. Expect to see more Caravans and T&Cs.
Back to the topic: Should I consider trading our 2006 300C for a 2008 or 2009 due to the unlimited power train warranty? Fact to consider: I drove my last car for 17 years. 
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Re: bias [smithed]
by coolrunning
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Apr 18, 2008 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: smithed (Apr 18, 2008 4:45 am)
You like to keep a good car for a long time. I think if you can afford to do it, get the new car with the lifetime warranty and be happy. If economics are a bigger concern, you might consider keeping your 2006 300C and buying an extended warranty for it. However, in my experience, I have purchased several of these extended warranties and they never really paid out anywhere close to break even. One warranty cost me $1700.00 and I had one $300.00 claim (of which only 178.00 was covered). What I have decided to do is forego any extended warranty and just depend on the quality and durability of the car I buy. I don't buy "baseline" stripped models, and I upgrade to better engines, transmissions, packages when possible. You get more car in the long run, and I have not had a problem with my 2006 300C's (I have two Heritage Editions) other than the tiny transmission oil leak that was fixed on both with a 50 cent O-ring. I cannot justify buying an expensive extended warranty (or trading off a perfectly good car) because I am afraid of potential repairs. Instead, I can set aside what I would have spent on the warranty or the cost of trading up, and use it to fix what ever breaks after the 3 year/36,000 mile warranty expires. So far, I have never had to spend more than a couple of hundred dollars on repairs on my 1999 and 2004 300M's and didn't trade them off until they were approaching 100,000 miles. If you really think you are going to need a lifetime warranty because this is going to be your last new car, I would opt for the new car. It is just hard for me to imagine myself keeping a car for 17 years. My first car was 14 years old when I got it, and I had it for 3 years... I usually keep a car for between 6 and 10 years maximum, but it depends on the mileage. I get a little worried about major repairs when a car nears 100,000 miles. It is hard to justify putting a new engine/transmission in a car with that many miles on it unless it is a collectible or classic. (Perhaps the new Challenger?) 
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Re: bias [coolrunning]
by xtec
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Apr 18, 2008 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: coolrunning (Apr 18, 2008 5:56 pm)
When you said you buy the upgrade model,that is more reason to buy the extended warranty.The more the car has the more chance that it will need repair.I have the Extended warranty on a 08 Jeep liberty with the unlimited powertrain.There are alot on parts that are not included in the powertrain.Plus I have the extended warranty on my 06 Charger SXT,of course the Charger has the 3/36 warranty.I think its good insurance,there are all kinds of modules that control mostly everything.And you can negotiate the price on the warranty.
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Re: bias [coolrunning]
by nvbanker
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Apr 21, 2008 (9:25 am)
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Replying to: coolrunning (Apr 18, 2008 5:56 pm)
Cool is right on with the extended warranty comments. With few exceptions, claims rarely exceed or equal the premium/cost of the policy. Extended Warrantys are just insurance policys, and if the warranty costs $1700, unless you have an engine or transmission failure, most other repairs will not come up to that. If your car has enough problems to equal the cost of the warranty, you should probably get rid of it anyway. It's not going to be serviceable long term. YMMV, but the reports I've read all state the same thing - that you are generally wasting money on EWs.
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