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#47 of 4893 300m by b4z Oct 20, 2003 (4:54 pm)
I know you guys like your 300M's but we are talking about a car that never had any drivetrain improvements over it's entire run (exhaust changes don't count). Not any quicker than my 21K DOHC Intrigue was. Also a vehicle that has an incredibly inefficient automatic transmission that saps hp. It is an attractive enough car, but it doesn't have class leading performance in any category. Except for styling(subjective), the 300C will offer advantages over the 300M in EVERY category.
#48 of 4893 by ottowrkr Oct 20, 2003 (8:52 pm)
I think you guys should wait to see these cars in person before you make final judgement . I have seen them and sat in the 300 . At first when I saw pics I was like HHHMMM. But after touching and seeing them , out of this world . My next car will be a LX . Maybe I will wait till the release the 6.1 HEMI   another story on the LX   http://www.cars.com/news/stories/100703_storya_cc.jhtml?page=stor- - - y&aff=national    the silver 300 is a beauty .
#49 of 4893 Chrysler's 300C webpage by soozpk Oct 21, 2003 (4:52 am)
They're finally making progress on the 300C's webpage. Everyday I stop there for a "look-see", eagerly awaiting any information on it. The link is:   http://www.chrysler.com/300series/index.html?context=homepage&amp- ;type=promo2   I do hope, (maybe pray also), that Chrysler does a better advertizing blitz on the the 300C, that they failed to do on the Pacifica.
#50 of 4893 b4z...I don't think any 300M owner by intrepidspirit Oct 21, 2003 (10:25 am)
would claim that the 300M has "class leading performance in any category". What it offered was a combination of style, size, luxury, performance and value that was not available in any other vehicle at the time. With the exception of possibly styling and value, the rest of the configuration was not class leading.   With the weight and boxy styling of the 300C, it will not "offer advantages over the 300M in EVERY category." - especially with a base 2.7 litre engine. In fact, it doesn't even appeal to a 300M owner.   BTW, my "vehicle that has an incredibly inefficient automatic transmission that saps hp." achieves extraordinary high end (50 to 80 mph) acceleration times and yields 26.5 MPG 75-80 mph on 200 mile highway runs.   Is it a perfect car? - no. Has it been improved since the first year? - no, at least not performance wise. But with the 2.7 and 3.5 litre engines and its 4000 lbs. of bulk, the 300C is a step backward. And the hemi option will just make it a faster boat.
#51 of 4893 I do not see Chrysler's ad buget increasing by 300michael Oct 21, 2003 (7:05 pm)
If anything with the belt tightening it may actually be less. As for handling the M held it't own against BMW's and Corvette's. in thing like emerg lane change and slomn. It is the strip that it hurt. If Chrysler is going to try to go upscale they should drop the 2.7 and 3.5L engines and only have the 4.7 and the 5.7 in it. Or it will be nothing more then a larger Cirrus. It will hurt handling (heavy front end) but should help it in other areas. I wish MB would use thier latest crop of trannys in the 300, insted of the ones they are giving to Chrysler. Watch out for some of those M's on the road they will be packing as much hp as the Hemi only in a 3.5L package.
#52 of 4893 Whiners! by 300h Oct 22, 2003 (8:53 am)
I'm sick of reading the messages from the cry babies on how DC is changing their beloved 300m. You are the same people that whined while the 300m was in development, complained about how it looked and cursed the use of the "300" name. I'm just hoping the door seals work the trunk mat fits unlike your beloved 300m... Go DC!
#53 of 4893 300h.... by intrepidspirit Oct 22, 2003 (9:58 am)
"I'm sick of reading the messages from the cry babies on how DC is changing their beloved 300m."   Nobody here is "crying" about DC changing their "beloved" 300M.   There is no change. DC is abandoning it - period! It's a different car!.   I (and other 300M owners) have merely expressed our opinions on the new 300C. I thought that was the purpose of this forum. If DC hadn't called it a 300, I wouldn't have even bothered with comparisons with the 300M. Because they chose to call it a 300, it invites comparisons.   If you are sick of reading the opinions (and perhaps vehicle comparisons) of current 300M owners, maybe you should skip our comments. It's a free world!   BTW,   "You are the same people that whined while the 300m was in development, complained about how it looked and cursed the use of the "300" name."   What forum did you see this in?
#54 of 4893 by ottowrkr Oct 23, 2003 (7:50 am)
300michael said "Watch out for some of those M's on the road they will be packing as much hp as the Hemi only in a 3.5L package"    Come on Mike , the day you crank out 350 H.P in a 3.5 without NOS , Turbo's or Supercharger you let me know. That V6 will never match the 5.7. Just wait till the 6.1 L goes into the 300.
#55 of 4893 Otto by 300michael Oct 23, 2003 (1:20 pm)
Some of us (300M owners) are getting ready do start doing just that. We have been in talks with two speed shops that said it can be done (no NOS or Super/Turbo involved. Pistons, cams, and some porting and polishing alonge with new headers, and some other things. Level 10 has a kit to take care of the transmission, that will rid us of that 33% loss down to an acceptible 18-20 percent. The additions should work good with the PP gears and put them to even better use. The baseline testing should start very soon and have parts ready by Feb/Mar. A few years back I would agree, The M's 3.5 was the highest output engine. Now look It is near the bottom of the pack Nissan's 3.5L was less then 240hp now the same engine is putting out over 280hp stock. SoCal got there 3.5 over 300 horses easy the split shafts are what caused them to stop, because they couldn't handle the power.
#56 of 4893 by ottowrkr Oct 23, 2003 (3:10 pm)
Yeah I guess if you were to tear the motor apart and rebuild it with some custom parts you could make some pretty good power . well let me know how it works out for you guys. But I still think the C with its RWD V8 engine should do a number to the M . Dont get me wrong I really love the M but I really REALLY like the C .

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