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#949 of 2240 Chevrolet Cobalt test
Mar 24, 2005 (1:15 pm)
Does anyone know where I can find a link to a Chevrolet Cobalt SEDAN First Drive/Full Test on edmunds.com? I've already read the SS coupe test. I'm glad that Chevy has finally hit a success. I see a lot of potential for the Cobalt. It can now compete with class leaders like Toyota Corolla, Ford Focus, Mazda 3, Honda Civic. The Cavalier should have been replaced or redesigned back in 2000, not in 2005. The Cavalier model had been there since 1995! Ten years!
#950 of 2240 True value
Mar 24, 2005 (1:21 pm)
The true value is in fact what they are able to sell the car for. You will find that GM and Ford will price somewhere around $3k to $5k over what they actually intend to get for their products. Honda usually comes down a few hundred, to maybe a grand, unless something is really not moving well for them. Toyota usually comes down $1k to as much as $2k, unless it is a real expensive car. May be possible to do a little better on fleet pricing. Anyway, the point is the selling price sticker on GM and Ford is way over what I would ever expect to pay. I own a Corolla and it is far superior to the Olds Achieva. There is no comparison to how the interior held up, no water leaks, no 8 to 10 trips to the dealer to fix this and that. The steering does not go flaky light when up to speed on freeways, it is not leaking water on the floor board, paint is not coming off the bumpers, plastic parts are not popping off, and the car looks newer at 7 yrs of age than the Olds did at 4 yrs of age. The Achieva had more HP, so it was faster. A Cobalt may be faster than some other cars, and maybe an advantage here or there, but I would not put it in the same class Japanese cars. It is just a beast of a different nature. It could even be more fun to drive. I am sure there are some advantages to Chevy, but over the years I have come to accept the differences between cheap and value - what is fun and what is practical and inexpensive to own in the long run. Honda HX can get between 44 and 48MPG with ease on the freeway. Heck, my Corolla with an automatic got over 40 MPG one time. As they age, the figure may be 36 to 38 MPG - still awesome.
#951 of 2240 Re: Chevrolet Cobalt test [lexusrocks]
Mar 24, 2005 (1:42 pm)
There is a full Car and Driver test this month on the newstands. In about a month it will be available on the online edition. The report is glowing. I am happy for Chevy. Given the side crash tests at IIHS.org, the Cobalt would be on my short list of small cars worth buying, until the new Honda Civic comes out (and we see how it crash tests)and until the 06' Jetta is tested. Now if only GM would run with the good IIHS PR (public relations) and make side curtain airbags standard (they are an available option). I think they have their heart in the right place - for years the Cavalier had standard ABS - but right now the studies indicate ABS doesn't save nearly as many lives as side curtain air bags (not side torso airbags, which don't improve your odds that much).
If GM won't make them standard, I hope they get them on at least 25% of the lightly optioned, less expensive Cobalts out there so working moms have a safer choice in a small car. They are only about a $300 option.
Mar 24, 2005 (2:57 pm)
Sorry to get aggressive, that is what the dealer told me...I did some investigation and the car had been a car that was test driven for a month by a gm employee....He only put 1500 miles on it. Apparently he is a high level engineer and they get 3 months behind the wheel of every new production car as part of their contract. He unfortunately was gone on vacation for two months of his period. So the miles were very low and that is where the huge discount came in. He did not receive that info until I went back and questioned the price of the car. So really we were both right. He also said that he really shouldn't have included the tax in his ttl he just threw that term around w/o defining it. But really it is still a good deal. I am trying to swing the payment but we just had a baby and my wife is not back to work yet/attempting to transfer to a new office. No love lost dave37
#953 of 2240 Re: Chevrolet Cobalt test [micweb]
Mar 25, 2005 (3:17 am)
Thanks for replying.
I already checked the Car and Driver review, and the report was good. I'm surprised edmunds.com hasn't done a first/drive full test on the Cobalt sedan. It's March of 2005 already. Here they are doing tests on 2006 models, Infiniti M45/M35 Lexus G2300/400 Honda Ridgeline, Mitsubishi Evolution, BMW 3 series. Did they forget about the poor Cobalt? Of the cars I mentioned, the Cobalt is the mos boring, yet it will appeal to most Americans who needs inexpensive transportation. I hope Chevrolet brings out an SS version of the sedan to compete with the Mazda 3. The Cobalt is such a huge improvement over the aging Cavalier,they should have released it a long time ago. Watch out Corolla, Civic, and Focus! Chevrolet is back!!!
#954 of 2240 They love to review$3ok+
Mar 25, 2005 (9:05 am)
They just love to review fully loaded $30K + cars instead of the "poorer of working class" models. A car magazine which tested both the base and optional engine cars would be refreshing. Edmund's and MSN Auto do some testing of more lowly models, which is a good thing. Pick up a typical mag. and you will see a review of the 911 vs. Corvette. While I like both cars, I would have to buy one quite a few years old. I take it only the rich and the wannabees buy car mags these days? I like the Consumer Reports to see what the owners rated the cars. Not sure about Consumers reviews as they sometimes hit the mark, while other times they seem biased. I recall back in around 1976 a review on the Olds Cutlass, and they did not like the tire pressure. I am serious. When you test a car don't you use the exact pressure as recommended, and thus would fill it up yourself. They had a thing about slamming GM. Maybe they are over that now. Fact is the time to slam GM occurred later around that time, but not over tire pressure. That was the beginning of the end. If they test the Mazda3 against the Cobalt I assume Mazda will win overall, and particularly in Zoom-Zoom ability. Looks better inside too. Personally, the Mazda3 judging from the forum here, does have some first and second year bugs, so maybe a third year car, as in '06 would be a best choice. I don't know if I like the electric assist steering. Some are reporting a noise being generated in the steering system. I can do without electric steering and electronic throttle (which hopefully is not on any of these two cars) a cable is fine and works for me. The Cobalt is a pretty good evolution of the Chevy small car and perhaps less cavalier in overall build. Now a revolution car could have been a new Nova III with rear wheel drive. That would be a statement that Chevy has a Honda and Toyota killer on the loose. Could have a sweet straight six with say 200HP selling for under $20k and a i4 just like the one they are using now, and selling for $16K but in a rear wheel drive car with fresh new and perhaps a little retro styling of a Nova III. Hey, maybe even have a V8 and compete with the Mustang. Now there is a car that is selling. The Chrysler 300 and Magnum are selling. See a trend there, as in RWD? Heck a mid-engine Corvair would be cool. A Corvair Monza coupe for 2006 - cool ! Drive that baby to Ralph Nadar for President rallies -- woo-hoo!!! If they pull off the Solstice and can make money on it, or even break even, maybe that is the boost GM needs. I do not see too many G6 on the road, and I am not sure about the sales of Cobalt. They sorta meld with all the rest, so it is hard to pick them out going down the freeway. Maybe they are selling. Certainly better than the Monte Carlo and Malibu. Poor Malibu got it's name stolen and put on an econo FWD car. A crime has been committed. This is my opinion - I realize others see it all differently, which is fine too. Remember what Lee said, " Lead, follow, or get out of the way." Hummm? The PT first followed by the Chevy version coming out soon.... looks like GM listened. I think its called the HHR or something. Anyway, it is late to the table, IMHO.
#955 of 2240 Cobalt has electric power steering
Mar 27, 2005 (7:38 pm)
I'm sort of tired also of the car mags just testing the high-performance cars. At least Car & Driver and especially Consumer Reports test more plebeian vehicles.
What's your beef about CR complaining 29 years ago about a car's tire pressure? They used to list sample defects, and my guess is the car was delivered with severely under- or overinflated tires. In the 70s, CR generally preferred GM cars over Fords or Chryslers. Some Chrysler products of the era used to rack up 40 or so defects per vehicle.
When CR stopped reporting on sample defects a few years ago, the rate was down to 0 to 2 per vehicle.
#956 of 2240 Re: Quick Delivery [prdm]
Mar 27, 2005 (9:26 pm)
Which dealer? I'm in Plainfield.
#957 of 2240 First Impressions
Mar 28, 2005 (3:55 am)
Have had the car (LS sedan) for a day now and 115 miles. It is very nice, Fit and finish are good, everything is tight, dealer prep was fine (for lostwrench-Fairfield). We ordered the car from the factory on March 2nd and it was delivered on the 22nd - very fast. One interesting quirk and one annoying miss. They've programmed the engine to drop RPM's very slowly when clutch is pushed in; takes some geting used to. A wind whistle from the driver's window area manifesting at about 30 MPH but doesn't get louder with more speed. I suppose that's why we have the sub-woofer option.
#958 of 2240 Re: Cobalt has electric power steering [210delray]
Mar 28, 2005 (8:58 am)
Wow, electric steering assist. Does it sing to you? I hear that some do in Mazda3 cars. I could do without that. Next thing you know, they will make the throttle by wire too. You can get some weird problems with those. I wonder if Consumer Reports has found out that air can be added to tires, and a tire gauge is available for $3 so people can, or should I say, should check and adjust if needed air in tires every couple weeks to every month depending on use and climate. When you pick up your new car from the dealership, or the local fast lube, I could assure you that 9 out of 10 times the air level is off in one or more tires. When doing track testing, they should be spot on at the time of testing. I like CR for the customer surveys, and will read some of their car reports, which I must say do find some problem areas in cars, and enlighten one on what they find as possible good points.They did find some issues in the Dodge Stealth which were right on the mark. I owned one, and had those problems, or annoyances. So, if you read say three different reviews, do a road test or two yourself, you may have the best shot at sorting it all out.