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#51 of 2171 by ateixeira Nov 12, 2003 (11:41 am)
Don't dismiss the 'bu until you try it. The V6 is fine, all its 220 ft-lbs of torque. Dismissing it de facto just shows you have a bias.   I drove one back-to-back with a Camry V6, it was the 3.0l, but still, but 'bu is quicker. It chirped the tires in 1st and 2nd gear, this an automatic.   C&D just tested one and their instrumented tests agree, it's not only quicker but also it's more fuel efficient, and by a wide margin. Not bad for an iron block pushrod, eh?   Toyota will put a 3.3l in there to counter, but try both before you assume you'd like the more expensive high-content engine better.   The base engine is an Ecotec, and I liked it less. Go figure.   -juice
#52 of 2171 Reg by dindak Nov 12, 2003 (12:58 pm)
Supercharged, turbocharged, tomato, tamaato.
#53 of 2171 midsize cars by jchan2 Nov 12, 2003 (4:06 pm)
ateixeira- hey..... have you tried the Accord???
#54 of 2171 'bu V6 by ateixeira Nov 13, 2003 (6:59 am)
Yes, but only the 4 banger. It's nice.   Accord's V6 has 40 more horsepower, but actually 8 lb-ft less torque.   The Accord is quicker, sure, but my guess is it's geared shorter because mileage suffers, 21/30 vs. 23/32 for the 'bu. So you lose 2 miles per gallon with the Honda. 5 years ago the opposite would have been more likely, no?   Any how, the point is they are comparable now, it's not the no-brainer that is used to be.   -juice
#55 of 2171 ateixera by alpha01 Nov 13, 2003 (4:46 pm)
Just really quickly, I'd like to point out that in the Nov 2003 issue of Car and Driver, they compared the 3.5L Malibu to the older 192hp/4sp auto Camry V6 (for whatever reason), and the 'Bu was only 3 tenths quicker to 60 and through the QM. The current Camry LE/XLE V6 have a 5sp auto with different gearing, as well as 18 more hp and 11 more foot-pounds. As you stated, the SE has the 225hp/240lb.ft 3.3L engine.   Finally, in the same issue, Car and Driver obtained 24 MPG overall for the Malibu, and the EXACT SAME 24 MPG for their Long-Term Camry. So, I'm not really seeing the efficiency advantage.   Back to the Cobalt. Looking forward to it. Should be interesting. I'm confused - is the US going to get the Pontiac Pursuit or not?   ~alpha
#56 of 2171 by ateixeira Nov 14, 2003 (6:45 am)
The two cars were not driven on the same loop, so you can't compare the two figures directly. The EPA numbers are more comparabale, and that's the advantage I referred to.   Also, a long-termer takes more trips. On a test drive, I'm sure they're driven much harder. They're pushing the 'bu to see what it'll do, while the Camry enjoyed long highway trips (they specifically mentioned that in C&D).   So the 'bu has a legit edge in efficiency.   The 3.3l is typical of the "moving target" that is this competitive arena. I think it might even be more fuel efficient, not sure, I think the Solara is. Edmunds says "being researched" when I went to look up the mpg.   Pursuit - from what I understood, not at first. The Sunfire will continue selling. Bad idea, IMO, you don't build owner loyalty selling decades-old products.   -juice
#57 of 2171 thanks! by alpha01 Nov 14, 2003 (1:22 pm)
Good points re: fuel efficiency (although, to that end, the C&D Dec. 01 comparo including the Camry had the 192hp V6 averaging 26MPG....)   Interesting that the Sunfire will continue after the Cavalier is axed, especially since its front end is rather disjointed and peculiar looking, and there are few who dont know its age.   Again, thanks for the info.   ~alpha
#58 of 2171 ateixeira by dindak Nov 14, 2003 (1:35 pm)
Pontiac Pursuit is a Canada only car at this time. Sunfire is gone from here next year, why they are keeping it in the U.S. I have no idea. It's not that it's a bad car, just completely out of date.
#59 of 2171 Pursuit by jchan2 Nov 14, 2003 (1:50 pm)
Why are they letting the US suffer with the Sunfire? It's becoming almost like a Mitsubishi Mirage kind of car. A car that goes to 99% rental sales. Everytime I see one it's really clean with an Enterprise sticker on the back.
#60 of 2171 Jchan by logic1 Nov 14, 2003 (2:00 pm)
Your third sentence answered your own question. The Sunfire coupe, like the Chevrolet Classic will be meant for the rental market only.   The Sunfire's place in Pontiac will be filled with a coupe and convertible Solstice.

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