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6715 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2006 at 6:48 AM
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Don't ask why cause I don't know, but the XT takes a new oil filter - "Bulletin No. PT120103 Oil Filter Please be advise that there is a new oil filter, part number 15208AA080, that applies to the 2004 MY Turbo Baja and MY Turbo Forester models. This new filter, 15208AA080, is smaller in size (68mm) than the current filter used on non-turbo models, part number 15208AA060 (80mm). The current (larger) filter used on non-turbo models (15208AA060) should not be used on 2004 MY Turbo Baja or 2004 MY Turbo Forester. The oil filter that should be used on 2004 MY Turbo Baja or 2004 MY Turbo Forester models is 15208AA080)." As many times as they repeat this information I really think they mean it. My dealer ordered a case of them late last week. I was going to change oil and filter this weekend, but couldn't because I don't know the cross reference for the Fram or Purolator (checking both websites no help either). |
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the oil filter from the WRX STi? Same engine; I would assume the same oil filter too. Just a thought. Michael |
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| Parts manager at local Subaru dealer says this is NOT the same oil filter as that on the 2004 WRX STi - Go figure............. | |
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I now have 461 miles on my black XT MT that I picked up Friday evening. Here are my impressions to date. It's a great car! The Black is very classy looking (when clean). I love the standard cloth interior. I looks great and feels much more upscale than my 98 S did. The first thing that I noticed was not the power but the smoothness. The entire drivetrain is much smoother than my 98 and the handling is noticeably better. The power is certainly there, although at first I was a little disappointed in the power delivery. I have owned several turbo cars over the years (the last being a 91 Eagle Talon Tsi) and I was expecting that 'kick in the back' sensation when the turbo comes in. It's just not there. Instead there is a strong, very smooth flow of power. I'm not sure I like the drive by wire throttle. The response to your right foot is not linear. The first 50% of the throttle produces 90% of the power, especially at highway speeds. That said, at one point on the highway I was cruising abot 75 and needed to pass and hit a hole up ahead. I floored it and not much seemed to be happining except I was passing very fast and had to apply a little brake to fit into the hole. I glanced at the speedo and I was doing just under 100! It's sneaky fast. Out of the toll booths I limited myself to 4500 rpm. I believe that the engine is just starting to get into it's best powerband at that rpm. In first and second gear the engine note turns into a growl as the revs increase. It sounds great. I have a feeling that last 2000 rmp are going to be FUN! Again I wish the throttle response was more linear, but that's my only complaint so far. It's a great highway cruiser. On cruise control it effortlessly gobbles up the miles. It is quieter than my 98 at speed, but still not as quiet as my wife's 2000 Passat V6. Overall I am very happy with the car. I can't wait to really wind it up through the gears. Jack, I will be very interested to see if your impressions of your MT XT are the same as mine. I look forward to your report. I will report again after mine is broken in and I can really 'see what she'll do'. I am going to post this message on the new Forester Turbo forum as well. Should we start using that instead of this one? -Les
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ibhaley writes, "On cruise control it effortlessly gobbles up the miles." Shame on you. Doesn't the book say use of cruise control during break-in is verboten? If you're not careful, your dealer will come take your car away... " It is quieter than my 98 at speed, but still not as quiet as my wife's 2000 Passat V6." My boss has a 2003 Passat V-6 4motion automatic; it's very nice. But outside my price range and unavailable with manual transmission. "Overall I am very happy with the car. I can't wait to really wind it up through the gears." My long, gradual breakin is going to really test my self-discipline. "Jack, I will be very interested to see if your impressions of your MT XT are the same as mine. I look forward to your report. I will report again after mine is broken in and I can really 'see what she'll do'." Other than incidental observations, real tangible performance reports from me will be long in coming - probably not until late September. It'll take me that long to put 2000-2500 progressive break-in miles on before I will run hard. I probably won't even see positive boost on the gauge until September. "I am going to post this message on the new Forester Turbo forum as well. Should we start using that instead of this one?" Works for me! Keep those updates coming... - jack -Les |
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Here's a link to another 1st-drive report: http://www.mississauga.com/mi/wheels/story/1146025p-1365995c.html Nothing earth-shaking, but quite favorable. - jack |
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Jack says "Shame on you. Doesn't the book say use of cruise control during break-in is verboten? If you're not careful, your dealer will come take your car away..." Yes, I know that you should vary your speed often when breaking in a new car. Believe me, with the traffic and weather conditions that we encountered to and from Albany, it never was on cruise for more than a couple of miles. The owners manual says nothing about not using the cruise control during break in. I plan to keep it below 4500 rpm for the first 1000 miles. At that point I will change the oil and filter and gradually begin to increase the rpm over the next 500 miles. By 1500 miles I will begin to take it to 6000 on occasion. I seldom go all the way to red line as the last few hundred rpm are usually well beyond the HP peak and don't really accomplish much other than add unnecessary wear and tear. This is the way I have always broken in my cars and I have never had any engine/drivetrain problems or excessive oil consumption as a result of this break in method. I believe that the first few hundred miles are the most critical ones and after that it doesn't hurt to begin to 'exercise' the engine a little. The way you plan to do it certainly won't hurt it, but I wouldn't have the self control to wait that long. -Les |
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ibhaley fights back: "I seldom go all the way to red line as the last few hundred rpm are usually well beyond the HP peak and don't really accomplish much other than add unnecessary wear and tear." The only advantage of revving 900 rpm past the HP peak is that immediately after your next upshift, you're already farther up in the rising powerband in the next gear than you'd be if you shifted earlier. With the wider spacing of the automatic's 4 speeds, this probably provides the best acceleration times. But I'm with you - always asking a little less of a car than it's maximum capabilities is a surefire way to considerably extend its life. - jb |
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The XT turbo is a low-boost turbo, unlike the WRX or STi turbos. It's not meant so much to give you a "turbo -kick-in-the-pants," but suggest more of a smooth big-bore V8 power type of delivery. Bob |
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1) the good old "ADP" reason... new filter means no aftermarket stuff fits, so it's a year or so easily of dealer-sold parts for Additional Dealer Profit. this also includes cases of changing the threading/stud size Because They Can. 2) could be size restriction, flow rate issues, or a filter element woven from nose hairs of unicorns is necessary for this particular engine and car combination, requring a new part number. I think you are supposed to boast about this, not grumble about this, but you can call Subaru and see if this is the case... 
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