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#2870 of 2927 Re: My new ABS problems... [spike99]
Feb 14, 2010 (9:32 am)
Hi, I was hoping you could tell me where I would find the ABS system fuse or relay so I can pull mine. I have a 2004 Pontiac Montana. I have been told by a reputable technician that my hub speed sensor is likely the reason my ABS light comes on intermittently. I have been told by GM that this system on my vehicle is can be hard to diagnose properly and expensive to repair! I really think I can live without the ABS feature so I have been searching for the fuse in the fuse box with no luck. Do you know exactly where it is?
#2871 of 2927 ABS fuse/relay location 2004 Montana?
Feb 15, 2010 (9:29 pm)
Hi, I was hoping someone could help me locate the fuse location? for the ABS system on my 2004 Montana.
#2872 of 2927 2005 Relay Issues
Feb 18, 2010 (9:18 am)
I'm new to this forum, so I'll start off by saying that I've had very similar experiences with my Relay, specifically with brakes and tires. Cupping a huge problem, partly because of the crappy Goodyear Integrity tires and partly because the alignment off the floor was a bit off. Kept cooking tires until I finally replaced with the Cooper CS4 Touring and had alignment done. (Solved that problem). Finally at the point where I'm replacing rotors, and - hint - most OEM rotors are crap. Designed for cost and weight requirements, NOT durability under heat, and they warp and wobble. $45 per rotor for new ones, and not a shake.
Was wondering - do any of you with the Relay (or sister) who have the steel wheel/plastic wheel cover have a lot of noise as the wheel turns and rubs the plastic cover?
Mine has always made noise and I've heard rumors Saturn addressed this with a shim or washer that holds the cover 1/4" from the wheel and keeps the edges from rubbing. Local dealer says he's heard nothing about it. Any suggestions?
#2873 of 2927 Check engine light on a Saturn Relay
May 15, 2010 (9:13 pm)
Newer owner of an 05 Saturn Relay. Purchased about 2 months ago.
Relay 3 AWD
We were running about 75mph on the interstate and started up a steep, but short, hill. The van kicked down from OD to 2nd gear, rev'd to around 5500rpm and kicked off my cruise control and kicked ON my check engine light.
In addition, I just had an alignment/rotate/balance completed. The shop suggested the both front wheel bearings needed changed. I haven't noticed any grinding or any other noise coming from the front hubs. Is this a common issue with these vehicles?
#2874 of 2927 2006 Relay III still going strong
May 16, 2010 (2:54 pm)
Well I have read all of the posts since my first, and am amazed by my good luck. I have owned a Relay III now for 4 years. I have 57,000 miles, and no repairs. No rotor problems, no trim falling off, and no tire cupping, nada.
The only thing I had to do is replace the factory tires (they were absolute junk) and change all of the fluids at the 30,000 mile point. I went in for an oil change and the service manager showed me samples of my other fluids and it was time. So, thats it. Fluids and tires, plus little things like windshield whiper blades. I do have the AM radio problem, which makes it hard to listen to the road side warning messages (AM 1610 or 530), but I listen to XM radio most of the time so I live with it, and I did have to replace the battery once at the 36,000 mile point, but, I think it is more in the line of being a consumable.
Oh, and I did put in upgraded headlight bulbs. I read another post where one gentleman stated that the H11 bulbs were too dim and he put in H9's, which required a mod. I agree. I found some H11 bulbs on the internet by Nokya that list their output at 7,000 Kelvin (Blue/Violet) vs. the stock H11's that list 2,500 Kelvin (warm yellow/white). The Nokya's are much brighter, although they are also blue in hue. They are called Artic Blue bulbs.
#2875 of 2927 Re: 2006 Relay III still going strong [markdel]
May 16, 2010 (3:19 pm)
I would say you may very well be due to have the rear wiper motor conk out--a $294.00 total repair on my '05 Uplander. But I have heard that the '06's have improved wheel bearings and brakes over the '05. The wheels looks the same except that '06's and later have six lug nuts, instead of five. I'd say that the molding thing would have been fixed by the '06 models.
I really do think they're the best-looking vans out there, but mine has had issues. I will say that the dealer has gone out of his way to assist, even after warranty, so the cost of ownership has been pretty low. Of course, since they're discontinued, the resale value is awfully low. But I plan on holding on to mine. You always hear how the Honda Odyssey is such a wonderful minivan, but look at their forum in vans. Trans and other issues all over the place.
#2876 of 2927 Re: Check engine light on a Saturn Relay [fufunbean]
May 17, 2010 (12:03 pm)
I am from GM Customer Service. Can you please email me with more information about your situation so I can look into it further? You can get my email by clicking on my name. Thank you,
Mariah GM Customer Service
#2877 of 2927 Re: 2006 Relay III still going strong [uplanderguy]
Jun 08, 2010 (10:09 am)
I have posted here a few times over the past 5 years and the things I notice about the forum is how low the activity and complaints are here. Considering that there are a few hundred thousand of these vans out there, my opinion is that these vans don't deserve the reputation they've gotten from the car reviewers. Sure, some have problems, and all lack some features, but like you said, look at the major issues the other guys are having. So, here's our story:
We bought our new Uplander LT 3.5 liter in May 2005, so it's now 5 years old. In terms of repairs, the cost of ownership has been low. Outside of warranty, I've spent a total of $86 on non-maintenance or normal wear items, the repairs were to replace a release handle on the third row seat and to replace two stabilizer links in the front. We have 93K miles on the van and it's still mechanically very reliable.
It did spend quite a bit of time in the shop the first year as GM worked out the typical first year bugs-new alternator for flickering lights, door molding, rattle in airbag fixed, horn springs replaced to make it easier to engage. If you are looking at an '05 model, then confirm that these things have been addressed before you buy. Also a recall to re torque a bolt in the engine. These were all comon complaints for the 2005 model year and I classify all of these as design issues that were rectified by GM, free of charge. I'm not saying that I enjoyed the hassle, but given that I paid 23,800 for a vehicle that listed for 30,500 it was worth it. I got the discount through GM card points and a 2k rebate. Our van is Silver with DVD system, XM, remote start, and power sliding doors.
What do I like about it? Favorite features are the DVD player and wireless headphones that have worked perfectly from day 1, and with 4 kids that's a miracle. The sliding doors have worked flawlessly and are also a must with lots of kids. I also like the rear backup sensors and narrowness of the van. It's plenty big inside and easier to park than others. I think it has a soft ride with reasonable handling and is a great interstate cruiser. Mileage averages 20 around town and 24 on the road. I've always liked the look of the wheels as well and the rear 115v plug is a useful feature at times to charge batteries. The dash and front materials are also upscale and nicely designed. I also like the fact that it has a timing chain, so no $1,000 expense at 70K like the Honda's. GM has also resolved the intake gasket issue on these motors, so no leaks to worry about and still no oil burning on ours. I also like that our vehicle does not have Stabilitrack or traction control. There have been several complaints about those systems on this forum, I'd look for an '05 model without those systems.
What do I not like about it? For 99% of the hauling, the fold-down seats are fine, but they are really heavy and difficult to remove, should you need to completely remove them. However, there is a ton of room if you remove them all. For daily driving the power is ok, but under a heavy load (vacation) the engine struggles a bit to stay at high speed on the iinterstate, mainly under hilly terraine. In 2006, the bigger engine was and option, then standard in '07 and '08. I also don't like the fact that the fuse box has to be removed to get the battery out. I messed it up, which cost me a trip to the dealer. Be careful when you are replacing the battery and don't take the fuse box completely apart, just remove it. It's also a bummer that curtain airbags in the rear seats are not offered.
In summary, after 5 years and 93K miles I would definitely make the same purchase. With no engine, major electrical or transmission problems at all, we plan to keep it another couple of years. And why not? Look at all of the issues on the Honda site, not $200 items, but 4,000 transmissions. Sure, those vans may have some nice features, but for my money this van was and still is a no-brainer since we planned to drive it long-term. We're getting ready to confidently drive it on a summer vaction of about 1,300 miles. I'll report back when we return. A/C is still cold and it will need to be where we're going (along with a gas mask). I'm sorry that GM is out of the van business. People in my situation will be buying a new one soon from someone.
#2878 of 2927 Re: 2006 Relay III still going strong [genmtrfan]
Jun 16, 2010 (1:57 pm)
I gotta tell you, I'm GM-loyal, but our Uplander has truly tested that feeling.
Bought new July 1, 2005. Currently has 81K miles.
It had the usual teething issues (side moldings needing reapplied a few times; dimming headlights) but those were corrected under warranty. I haven't really had many sliding door issues, like others. I keep the gold contacts clean (using rubber eraser or sometimes an SOS pad) and the door works fine 99% of the time.
I have had two steering racks (both warranty), both front wheel hubs/bearings/speed sensors (left one under warranty), rear wiper motor (out of pocket), cruise control (out of pocket), broken CHMSL resulting in water leak in rear compartment (out of pocket), sway bar links (three times; last time out of pocket), wears tires, pads, and rotors prematurely; driver's seat has multiple tears on the vinyl, not even on a seam; trans pressure control solenoid replaced under warranty due to harsh shifts when hot; horn quit working and was replaced under warranty; now, fuel gauge doesn't work and I'm told by the dealer (whom I like) that this is a $750 repair.
All this in under five years' ownership from new. It was built in June '05 at Doraville.
This is unacceptable stuff. I was told in the brochure I was buying a quality vehicle. I think no one would say this is normal stuff.
#2879 of 2927 Re: 2006 Relay III still going strong [uplanderguy]
Jun 22, 2010 (11:50 am)
That's dissappointing. So far the only issues we've had out of pocket are a rear seat latch that broke and the sway bar links (both sides). I noticed that the new links I intalled were thicker, I wonder if you kept getting the orginal ones. We're on our first new set of rotors at 90k but I'll admit that they did tend to warp easy. We do have a small tear in the side of the driver's side seat that started after about 4 years. The fuel gage did do something weird last week. It got to about a 1/16th of a tank and wouldn't go lower. By the time I refueled I put 25 gallons in it. Literally running on fumes. I feel like it's good to go at the moment. Recently replaced one of the rear hatch shocks and aforementioned seat pulls, new battery, coolant flush, upgraded headlights, new pads and rotors, new tires. When this set of tires is gone, so is the van. We're leaving on vacation this weekend so hopefully it's good to go. I'm not happy that the back chevy emblem has delaminated from the inside, but probably wont fix it again. Front one is ok. No transmission issues yet and original steering rack. How did you know that yours was bad? Occasionally I hear a whirring sound when cutting in a parking lot, but steers fine.