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#1450 of 2867
by vanman1
Sep 20, 2004 (6:48 pm)
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Selling points of the new GM vans
 
Standard DVD
Standard MP3 player
Available Phat noise sound system
Standard On Star
Over head rail system
Available remote start
Available AWD
Fuel economy
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SUV "look"
 
Nope, like someone said these aren't the best vans on the planet, but they should drive very well, have nice interiors and appeal to a segment looking for good value. The look is not main stream which will help it stick out in the market.
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by dan165
Sep 21, 2004 (5:28 am)
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Lots of different things appeal to lots of people for different reasons. The vans should sell about the same, there isn't going to be any big jump up here. GM needs an all new van but given their limited resources these days, this is likely their best option for now. That said, they could have got the same result and saved some money by just updating the old vans rather than re-name them and spawn a Saturn.
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by ateixeira
Sep 21, 2004 (12:30 pm)
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Fuel economy might be one main competitive advantage. That plus the DVD.
 
The list above seems pretty complete.
 
Add to that "Huge Rebates coming soon".
 
-juice
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and by jchan2
Sep 21, 2004 (1:15 pm)
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GM Card points, year end bonus cash, GMAC financing bonus cash, plus cashback, for a possible drive out the door price of around maybe seven grand off, before negotiating?
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by ateixeira
Sep 21, 2004 (1:19 pm)
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Let's just say "acquisition cost" and leave it at that.
 
All those things lower the price but they'll also lower residuals. In 2 years an Odyssey will be worth $8000 more in resale, so your TCO may actually be similar.
 
-juice
#1455 of 2867
by dan165
Sep 23, 2004 (5:19 am)
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"In 2 years an Odyssey will be worth $8000 more in resale"
 
Since it costs about that much more new I would certainly hope so.
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Correct - so buy what you like by ateixeira
Sep 23, 2004 (6:12 am)
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Exactly my point, so you should buy the one you like better, because the actual depreciation will be about the same.
 
What I mean by that is the Odyssey won't really cost you any more, despite the higher up-front cost.
 
If you are really bargain shopping, go get an outgoing 2004 Odyssey, I've seen LXs for $22k and EXs with DVD for $25k. That's no more than a GM van will cost you right now, maybe even less.
 
In 5 years I bet the Ody holds its value better by far. Look at 2000 models:
 
2000 Ody LX Private Party: $13,700
2000 Venture LS Ext: $7,347
 
Even 5 years down the road the difference is substantial. For an outgoing 2004 Venture to be a better deal, it would have to cost less than $16 grand new. No amount of rebates will get it that cheap!
 
Conclusion: buy it if you like it better, not for the low up front price, because that'll cost you down the road.
 
-juice
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Pay now or later? by just4fun2
Sep 23, 2004 (7:24 am)
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Why would you want to give someone $8000.00 now and in five years get the same $8000.00 back without any interest on your money? In five years that $8000.00 will be eaten away by inflation. Invest that money for five years and subtract that from the cost of the lower cost van.
 
If you like having dead money just hanging around doing nothing, the Ody is the one to buy!
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by ateixeira
Sep 23, 2004 (7:55 am)
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Well, first off it's not $8000. That was just a number thrown out as an example.
 
A 2004 Ody LX costs about $22k right now. My guess is a GM van is about the same. Even with a GM card credit you would come out way behind, even when you factor in interest.
 
If you get a 2005 Ody and compare to a 2005 GM van, well, rebates aren't really high yet to I bet the savings will amount to very little.
 
-juice
#1459 of 2867
Price difference by just4fun2
Sep 23, 2004 (11:50 am)
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Sorry, I thought that you knew that $8k figure for a fact. I know that in 2002, Honda Ody was 32k full msrp compared to my 2002 Silhouette GLS which msrp for 33k and I got it for 25k. Of course GM rebates/card points do help.
 
So that 7-8k price difference did exist when I bought my van. Buick dealer by me has started to take names so they can call people when the Buick Tarazza starts to come in.
 
Only time will tell.

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