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I don't have a clue if the vans are smaller than the previous ones. I do know the previous ones were narrower than competitors, because, for some bizarre reason, GM turned engineering of the vans over to Opel, and they needed them to be narrower to fit European streets. Of course, the vans were a huge flop over there and didn't last more than a couple of model years. Dumb, dumb, dumb. --Robert |
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| By the way, even though the Freestar's styling is distinctive, the fuel economy isn't. It gets a low low low 15 MPG. | |
| has got to stand out in one way or another to be successful. The Caravan twins are versitle; the Quest is a rule breaking pineer with standard side airbags and killer looks (maybe not for some folks); the Freestar has side curtain; the Odyssey is...well the Odyssey; and the Sienna is a conservative Quest. What do the new GM vans have that truly stands out and sticks to the shopper's mind? | |
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Selling points of the new GM vans Standard DVD Standard MP3 player Available Phat noise sound system Standard On Star Over head rail system Available remote start Available AWD Fuel economy and SUV "look" Nope, like someone said these aren't the best vans on the planet, but they should drive very well, have nice interiors and appeal to a segment looking for good value. The look is not main stream which will help it stick out in the market. |
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| Lots of different things appeal to lots of people for different reasons. The vans should sell about the same, there isn't going to be any big jump up here. GM needs an all new van but given their limited resources these days, this is likely their best option for now. That said, they could have got the same result and saved some money by just updating the old vans rather than re-name them and spawn a Saturn. | |
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Fuel economy might be one main competitive advantage. That plus the DVD. The list above seems pretty complete. Add to that "Huge Rebates coming soon". -juice |
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| GM Card points, year end bonus cash, GMAC financing bonus cash, plus cashback, for a possible drive out the door price of around maybe seven grand off, before negotiating? | |
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Let's just say "acquisition cost" and leave it at that. All those things lower the price but they'll also lower residuals. In 2 years an Odyssey will be worth $8000 more in resale, so your TCO may actually be similar. -juice |
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"In 2 years an Odyssey will be worth $8000 more in resale" Since it costs about that much more new I would certainly hope so. |
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Exactly my point, so you should buy the one you like better, because the actual depreciation will be about the same. What I mean by that is the Odyssey won't really cost you any more, despite the higher up-front cost. If you are really bargain shopping, go get an outgoing 2004 Odyssey, I've seen LXs for $22k and EXs with DVD for $25k. That's no more than a GM van will cost you right now, maybe even less. In 5 years I bet the Ody holds its value better by far. Look at 2000 models: 2000 Ody LX Private Party: $13,700 2000 Venture LS Ext: $7,347 Even 5 years down the road the difference is substantial. For an outgoing 2004 Venture to be a better deal, it would have to cost less than $16 grand new. No amount of rebates will get it that cheap! Conclusion: buy it if you like it better, not for the low up front price, because that'll cost you down the road. -juice |
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