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Mar 02, 2004 (1:07 am)
I just joined the Edmunds.com community and have read ALL the messages about the new GM vans and simply wish to state my intention: Buying a 2005 Buick Terraza and changing it into an 2005 Oldsmobile Silhouette-already have the GM emblems ready to go. The bodies are so similar anyway-grilles and fog lights are the major differences.
GM wants to take Olds away from me-I'll just make my own! Pop out the tri-shield from the steering pad, replace the buick logos from the 17-inch wheels and install the magnificent new rocket badge from the 2002 Bravada in the center of a new billet, waterfall grille. GM is the only brand I will ever buy, just have to keep the Oldsmobile brand going. . .
Mar 02, 2004 (7:33 am)
That's the funniest thing I've read in a while. Then you can release your own GM style press release saying how this, "SUV reinvents Oldsmobile with its own brand of modern go-anywhere versatility and unique styling and trim options." And the really sad thing is... You could probably do exactly what GM did for its other brands for a fraction of the cost and effort! Please, please promise to post the results of your "conversion" to the board.
Mar 02, 2004 (8:20 am)
It will baffle dealers if you try to make a warranty claim, though.
Mar 02, 2004 (1:18 pm)
How sad Olds was scrapped and Saturn continues. GM does act in strange ways.
Pricing is out on the 2005 DC vans. 27K sticker on the midlevel model with lots of equipment and the stow and go seating for both rows. Leather, DVD, NAV system and overhead rail system are extra if you want to buy a more expensive van.
Looks like DC is abandoning the high sticker/high rebate game and pricing directly against Toyota and Honda.
I predict GM stays with the high sticker/incentive game.
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Mar 02, 2004 (1:28 pm)
would be funny. Be sure to post a picture when the conversion is finished. (and issue a press release saying how the all new Oldsmobile Silhouette totally redefines the Oldsmobile brand with a rough n tumble image, seating for 7, performance, quality, and innovation)
Mar 02, 2004 (1:42 pm)
If DC is abandoning the high rebate game, how long do you think Toyota will stay it it? Do you think they will stay with it until the catch Ford sales world wide? And at $27K they are they are not pricing against Toyota, they are going for the market just below Toyota.
Mar 03, 2004 (10:49 am)
I'm not aware of Toyota offering any rebates on the Sienna. Although irrelevant to this discussion, Toyota recently passed Ford for #2 in worldwide sales, something that has been predicted for some time.
I think if you compare the Honda Odyssey EX, and Sienna LE with average equipment packages to the DC O5 vans you'll find them to be very close in price. The same for Nissan. The 04 DC vans and the Freestar sticker for much more but also have the big rebates that get them back to where they would be if they priced directly against the competition.
Mar 03, 2004 (11:33 am)
My post was in general terms. In January Toyota's average incentive was $2,900 vs Industry average of $3,700. Toyota announced in mid-February that they just missed catching Ford in 2003 on the recount when measured on equal terms. And a JD Power survey of average van transaction prices had the Toyota tops at $29,000. Gotta love the Detroit News on line. More fun then reading the Boston Globe.
And did you see how well the money is working, Toyota is up 19+% in sales of 2004 over 2003.
Mar 03, 2004 (1:31 pm)
You don't see Toyota slapping $3,000 cash on Camrys daily, do you? Whereas you see Chrysler and Ford slapping $4,000+ daily on Sebrings, Tauruses, etc. So, watching Toyota offer $1,000 cash already means a lot, and that gets the buyers in with the title to the old Camry sitting in the garage.
Mar 03, 2004 (2:11 pm)
I'm comparing apples to apples. Sticker prices of comparably equipped vans. The average transaction price relates to how much the dealer comes down from sticker and which trim level buyers want. Toyota deals less off of the sticker and their XLE luxury model is very popular.
As for the $2900 average incentive for Toyota. Who's getting it? I don't see anywhere near the same rebates and low interest financing as Ford/GM/DC offer. Are they referring to special lease packages?