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Jun 19, 2003 (3:14 pm)
You can't "fight" with the factory because you are out of warranty. Anything they do for you is already a favor. They don't owe you anything according to the warranty contract.
However...you can "negotiate" with them and work out a give and take that might save you a bundle of money.
I don't see why a diagnosis should cost $500 unless they mean a "teardown" to determine the exact cause of the transmission malady. This is RISKY, however, unless you've worked out an agreement about WHEN and IF and WHY you pay this much $$$ or they pay that much $$$. The LAST thing you want is to have your transmission lying in pieces on the floor and someone saying "nope, it's all YOUR fault. What do you want to do next?"
If you got a 50-50 deal on the transmission, I'd accept it if I were you. If your trans went at 150K, you probably would accept that. So you got 1/3 of a lifetime of use, and that is worth something. You've received some use, in other words, on this component---you got 1/3rd your money's worth on that trans. So I don't see why you shouldn't fork up at least 1/3 the cost.
By the way, who is coming up with the RIDICULOUS price of $6,500 for a transmission? That's another thing you have to clear up and negotiate.
If they double the price and then pay half, well you've just been suckered.
I'd advise you to get to your homework regarding actual costs and very precise stipulations as to how this "factory participation" is to proceed.
If none of this works to your liking, you could hire an attorney and ask legal counsel, but quite frankly I don't see as you have a legal case, in my own amateur opinion on warranties. If you are out of warranty on time and on mileage, and this has no concern for emissions issues, I don't see how you have any legal claim here. Ditto the airbag issue.
I'm not saying this is pleasant or the "norm", but I think every good negotiation starts with looking soberly at the facts of what you do and do not have going for you.
Jun 19, 2003 (3:41 pm)
have you had the transmission fluid and filter changed? if not, I would invest in a $100 dollar service before sinking in a ton of money. not sure, but most manufacturers have a powertrain warranty of 5 years/ 60k on the engine and transmission. I would investigate that if they cover it and yes $6500 is way too high for a transmission.
Jun 19, 2003 (11:11 pm)
I drive a 1990 Audi 200 with over 220,000 miles on it and have had it since almost new. While an Audi may be more expensive to maintain, it will give you years of driving pleasure, not to mention safety. I still enjoy driving my car. It feels solid, runs great, no squeaks or rattles, and looks almost like it did when I bought it 11 years ago, even though it has spent its entire life outside. I have done regular maintenance, but nothing overboard, and drive it hard. This car has had two major accidents and certainly saved me from serious injury the first time. I bet your A4 has at least another 150,000 of great driving left in it. Get a second opinion on the transmission, preferably from an Audi specialist not affiliated with a dealer. 6500 is just plain crazy. I say keep it, drive it, love it!
#40 of 46 Why do German and British cars require MUCH more maintenance than others?
Jun 23, 2003 (11:32 am)
Reading in this forum reinforces my opinion that Toyota reliability is a fact and not fiction. I could not afford to drive a German or British car.
How can any vehicle be fun to drive when it is chewing up your bank account?
Perhaps it is better to repair one of these money bottomless pits as a new one will soon cost as much to keep repaired as an older one.
#41 of 46 Addendum to previous posting
Jun 23, 2003 (2:49 pm)
My first car, a 1964 VW Beetle, was very reliable, cheap transportation. By 1976, VW reliability had nose dived so I kept the 1976 VW Bus only 4 years trading it in on a 1980 Chevy Van that served us far longer than did the 76 VW.
My opinion of German cars is much different than it was until we got that 76 VW Bus. Toyotas have been as reliable as was that 64 VW Beetle. The most recent purchase, 2001 Chevy Blazer had a very expensive repair that was mostly covered under the extended warranty. Never did have a major problem with any Toyota.
#42 of 46 I'm a little scared of the euro imports
Jun 23, 2003 (3:01 pm)
and not only because of the infamous $900 mufflers. I have had good luck with domestics since 1971, and figure on staying with 'em. besides, I can cuss 'em in their own language, and we all know that counts for another 2 or 3 HP when it really counts
#43 of 46 Agree with the Host that German cars have a great aftermarket network
Jun 23, 2003 (3:37 pm)
#1. German cars require expensive routine maintenance.
#2. Most dealers of German cars are arrogant and feel they have a right to rip off the public with expensive repairs.
Volkswagens were initially cheap transportation but the dealers charged so much for routine maintenance and repairs that it often cost more to drive a VW than a Cadillac since any money saved in fuel economy was quickly gobbled up by the maintenance and repairs.
Too bad domestic reliability took a nose dive in the 70's.
#44 of 46 This also happened to me.
Jun 23, 2003 (5:02 pm)
In reponse to Audiman posts 28,29,30.
This happended to my A4 timing belt at 84,000 miles, 6000 befoer it is recommended to change the belt.
I need a new cylinder head & valves totalling $3000.
Let me know if audi gave you any help with the repairs.
Jun 26, 2003 (4:17 pm)
YOu know, it's a free market. If all German cars sucked and all German dealers were scoundrels, then all German car dealers would be out of work drinking beers in cheap bars with Renault, Fiat and Yugo dealers.
Obviously, the majority of the public is satisfied and the technology, styling and driving superiority of German cars seems to be enough to outweigh Toyota's advantage in reliability stats.
Truth is, car buying is as much emotional and psychological as it is logical. Japanese cars just bore some people to tears and they want no part of them.
This is probably why serial-production Japanese cars have never become significant, first-tier, high dollar collectible cars despite 35+ years of being in America. Once they seriously fail, or are badly cracked up, they are generally destroyed.
I think people are more apt to repair a European car and more apt to unload a Japanese or American one (with a few exceptions) once a major repair looms. That's been my experience in the appraisal business these many years anyway.
#46 of 46 similar years on the two belt complaints, hmmm
Jun 26, 2003 (4:31 pm)
we could also have a bad run or two of belts, too. but.... NAH, nothing like, say, ignition coils or window cranks ever gets made badly, right?
everything has a weak point. congratulations on finding another one. sure stinks when it isn't something like the decal won't stay on the front of the cupholder, and it's serious enough to stop the engine.