Last post on Oct 03, 2003 at 9:55 AM
You are in the Future Vehicles - Archived Discussions
This discussion is ARCHIVED. To reactivate the discussion, post a request in the Lost? Ask the Future Vehicles Host for Directions! discussion.
What is this discussion about?
GMC Yukon, Chevrolet Tahoe
Oct 01, 2003 (7:07 pm)
Rugeti, you didn't get a 45K car for 35K. You got a 35K car for 35K. This is a market economy. What you and others pay for something is what it is worth.
#22 of 30 Economics 101
Oct 01, 2003 (9:14 pm)
If you compare similar Tahoes and Sequoias, the Chevy can easily seem like a $45k vehicle for $35k. I suspect price on both vehicles has more to do with supply than demand. When I bought my Tahoe almost 2 years ago my local Toyota dealer never had more than 10 or 12 vehicles on the lot. The four Chevy dealers in my area probably had 250 Tahoes combined. I shopped both (Toyota and Chevy) and came away with the same conclusion as Rugeti.......that I saved $9k buying a Chevy.
#23 of 30 blockislandguy
Oct 02, 2003 (8:08 am)
Sure. I know plenty about economics. Can't argue that I paid market for it.
How do you think Chevy feels about these economics? Think they are making the same margins? That was my point. This "market" pricing may not be sustainable for GM.
Saw article yesterday that said while GM's volume is up, its EPS may go down by 50%.
#24 of 30 dardson1
Oct 02, 2003 (10:11 am)
Sounds like our car interests came from the same mold. I read your profile and I have had many of the same cars, BMW, Merecedes, Toyota, etc. I now own a Lexus and a Tahoe (about a month old).
I agree with you. The Lexus is by far the best all-around lux car I've had. The funny thing though is that the Tahoe may be our best car ever. The ride (with Autoride) is amazing! I upgraded the wheels and tires and it is now even better. I keep trying to get my wife to trade with me! I was also very disappointed with Mercedes.
Oct 02, 2003 (2:38 pm)
Boys, has anyone heard if the 2 door might make a comeback in '05? I have seen the images of the "avalanche" looking 2 door concept and was not thoroughly impressed. Currently I am in a 2002 Z71 4dr. I love the truck that I am in, but would love to get back into a 2 door model. If anyone has any thoughts please let me know.
#26 of 30 I sincerely hope
Oct 02, 2003 (7:14 pm)
when the redesign comes that GM doesn't try to re-invent the wheel. They spent a healthy 10 years turning a pretty good truck (1995) into a very good one. Had a 96 that I liked inspite of the terrible brakes and infamous drive-train thud. The new Tahoe may look a bit like the early version (including that cheesy fabric they use on their cloth seats), but it is different and a way better car in almost every way.
I'd like to see GM address that irritating engine clatter when started up cold. I've owned 3 GM trucks and they all did it. Apparently it doesn't kill these engines. A day rarely passes I don't see a 20-25 year old Suburban moving down the road....lol. Can't say that about everything.
Oct 02, 2003 (7:17 pm)
I think we all agree that the Tahoe LT is a heck of a buy at 35K and is probably the equal in every aspect to the 45K Sequoia. So, how can Toyota command that price advantage when IMHO the underlying product is basically no better. Maybe simply branding. In other words, Toyota is maybe perceived to be the superior brand and people associate that with qualilty, longevity, better dealers, better resale, etc. etc.
Speaking of dealers, where would the kind of person (let's be frank, an upper middle class person) in the market for an additional 40K family vehicle more likely have an unpleasant, degrading shuck 'n jive experience: at one of the General's stores or at a Toy store? (Funny isn't how that 10K difference can be in part attributed to just a better dealer experience? The quality of dealer experience may go a long way in explaining why a lot of people are going import.)
Attn: Rugeti, what did you upgrade the tire/wheel package to?
#28 of 30 by blockislandguy
Oct 02, 2003 (9:26 pm)
I lost my mind, briefly, and bought a loaded up 01 Toyota Sienna with an MSRP of $33.5k. It seemed like the PC thing to do after my very un-PC Expedition. On paper the minivan with lotsa room, 210hp engine, and Toyota reputation seemed very smart. To be fair, the Sienna power train was great....... quick, smooth, and very quiet......but, I've never had a new car that squeeked, rattled, and groaned like that minivan. According to the service manager, all the noises were considered "normal". Very Toyota to call a problem, no problem.
I really bought the thing for the promised 19mpg city driving. Averaged 16ish on premium fuel (per the book). My fuel bill went down a bit after loosing the PC Sienna for my 2wd Tahoe where I get close to 15 on regular gas.
I changed my oil at the Toyota dealer every 3k miles which usually took an hour........it would have been nice to go to a quick change but the "sludge" issue (true or not) had me worried enough to spend the hour there every 3 months getting a certified oil change. The whole time I had the Toyota I felt like I had a sick child.
As you said, it's a matter of perception. I never keep a car long enough to evaluate it after 5 years. Perhaps Toyota does better there, but the oldest things I see on the road are Suburbans....lol. Maybe it's a case of the Emperor's New Clothes. Love my Tahoe after 19 months.
Oct 02, 2003 (11:51 pm)
Check in to Mexico. I've heard you can get a 2-Door Tahoe, or a Ram Charger there. I've actually seen the Ram Charger, here in Arizona (based on the last generation Ram design), and I have a spy picture from a couple of years ago of a 2-Door Tahoe Z71, just after the redesign of the Tahoe/Yukon came out. I was told at the time that they were going to be available in Mexico.
It's worth a check...
#30 of 30 blockislandguy
Oct 03, 2003 (9:55 am)
I upgraded to 18" Antera 301 wheels, which were enough to add some nice cornering rigidity, without compromising the ride. People tried to talk me into 20's, but I didn't want to risk a rough ride, or even worse bending the wheels. This has happened to me before with what were supposedly "quality" wheels.
As for tires, I put on Michelin Pilot LTX's. They were significantly more expensive than others I could have found, but handle great and are very quiet. From what I've heard, if you are going to put an 18" wheel on a Sub/Tahoe/Yukon, these are the way to go, unless of course you want an offroad tire.
On the topic of dealers, it's hard to say for me. This recent Chevy dealer may have been my most painless experience. I've had an experience with Mercedes which may have been my worst. Lexus has been the best all around. Toyota has been hit and miss. BMW has been so-so. Of course this varies from dealer to dealer among the same brand. I'm not sure what any of these are like across the board. I imagine it's probably different than what I've experienced.